Trump Administration Predictions (4 Viewers)

[RogerCooper]

The day of the inauguration. Riots all over. Where were you?

I didn't notice any on 1/20/17. In any event, it is not relevant to Trump's pardons. The failure of some jurisdictions to effectively punish violent crime is not an excuse to not punish violent criminals.

 

[moke123]

I didn't notice any on 1/20/17.

There were 200+ arrested and every single one that went to trial got a not guilty verdict so charges were dropped against all the rest. A very rare occurrence in federal cases. They were all in one area, not all over the place.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Trump is not selling green cards. The EB-5 & E-2 visa programs allow investors to obtain green cards. The investors do not pay Trump anything.

And yet you think he is taking bribes to give pardons.

Like when Trump pardoned violent rioters and son-in-law's father.

The intent was to pardon non-violent protesters.

Why aren't the cartels making toasters, lamps and cars?

Not enough money in it.

 

[RogerCooper]

And yet you think he is taking bribes to give pardons.

Yes, Trump is giving pardons for those who give large "campaign contributions". This includes people committed serious crimes. A good example is Paul Walczak who committed a $10million fraud but was pardoned after $1million contribution.

The intent was to pardon non-violent protesters.

Are you claiming that Trump "accidentally" pardoned rioters who had assaulted cops as he did not have "intent". You are making Trump sound as senile as Biden.

 

[Pat Hartman]

I'm pretty sure that Trump set the criteria and minions did the grunt work to produce the list. I find it highly unlikely that Trump then took the list and one by one checked each name against. That is what staff members do and sometimes people make mistakes. So, regarding all the people who were over-charged for their attendance at the Jan 6 rally, I think that one person slipped through who shouldn't have. I don't know what the resolution was. I don't think a pardon can be rescinded once issued but we'll find out soon won't we when the auto-pen person goes before Congress.

I don't know any of the details regarding the other pardon you object to so I can't comment on it but please follow the money trail for the payments to the Biden crime family if you want to see who was actually on the take and to a foreign government.

 

[RogerCooper]

I'm pretty sure that Trump set the criteria and minions did the grunt work to produce the list. I find it highly unlikely that Trump then took the list and one by one checked each name against. That is what staff members do and sometimes people make mistakes. So, regarding all the people who were over-charged for their attendance at the Jan 6 rally, I think that one person slipped through who shouldn't have. I don't know what the resolution was. I don't think a pardon can be rescinded once issued but we'll find out soon won't we when the auto-pen person goes before Congress.

That is the reverse of the actual facts. His staff was preparing a list, but then Trump decided to just pardon everyone. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...jan-6-pardons-last-minute-decision-rcna188628

I don't know any of the details regarding the other pardon you object to so I can't comment on it but please follow the money trail for the payments to the Biden crime family if you want to see who was actually on the take and to a foreign government.

I don't know why you keep on talking about Biden when asked about Trump. Is your point that everyone is a criminal and no one should ever be held accountable for anything?

 

[Pat Hartman]

I don't know why you keep on talking about Biden when asked about Trump. Is your point that everyone is a criminal and no one should ever be held accountable for anything?

We do this because when Trump does anything, you object to it even when your favorite presidents did exactly the same thing. I object to many things that Trump does. The difference is, I would have objected if Biden or Clinton or George Washington did them. I object to the "thing" not the person doing it. You object to Trump specifically and are perfectly OK when others do exactly the same thing. The documents issue is one of them. Biden at no time ever had the authority to remove classified documents from his office or a SCIF and yet he did and stored them everywhere for YEARS. Trump had absolute authority as the President to take pretty much anything and declassify if necessary and he kept them under lock and key and guarded by his detail at all times. But that was a crime in your book. Hypocrisy gets you no support here. The DOJ even had to fabricate photos to "prove" their case against Trump. This is yet another case of "Trump is the evil orange man and nothing he does is good".

As I said originally, I'm pretty sure pardons are bought all the time. I think that is a crime and I disapprove, but I'm not sure there is any prohibition against it legally.

Anyway, you probably don't care that there was no elected person filling the role of President for most of the past 4 years but I do. It was clear to me and to others who pay attention to these things that much as we didn't want Biden to ever be president (Obama didn't ether BTW), the man we got was not the man you thought you elected. The real Biden would never have signed many of the executive orders that came down the pike. And in fact when asked about some of them by the press, he said he didn't issue those EO's. No one in the press bothered to investigate. The real Biden would have been a weak President but not destructive in the way his auto-pen doppelganger was.

 

[moke123]

As I said originally, I'm pretty sure pardons are bought all the time. I think that is a crime and I disapprove, but I'm not sure there is any prohibition against it legally.

It's called bribery 18 U.S. Code § 201 (except when trump does it, in your mind.)

 

[Pat Hartman]

Clearly English is not your first language.

 

[RogerCooper]

We do this because when Trump does anything, you object to it even when your favorite presidents did exactly the same thing. I object to many things that Trump does. The difference is, I would have objected if Biden or Clinton or George Washington did them. I object to the "thing" not the person doing it. You object to Trump specifically and are perfectly OK when others do exactly the same thing. The documents issue is one of them. Biden at no time ever had the authority to remove classified documents from his office or a SCIF and yet he did and stored them everywhere for YEARS. Trump had absolute authority as the President to take pretty much anything and declassify if necessary and he kept them under lock and key and guarded by his detail at all times. But that was a crime in your book. Hypocrisy gets you no support here. The DOJ even had to fabricate photos to "prove" their case against Trump. This is yet another case of "Trump is the evil orange man and nothing he does is good".

As I said originally, I'm pretty sure pardons are bought all the time. I think that is a crime and I disapprove, but I'm not sure there is any prohibition against it legally.

Anyway, you probably don't care that there was no elected person filling the role of President for most of the past 4 years but I do. It was clear to me and to others who pay attention to these things that much as we didn't want Biden to ever be president (Obama didn't ether BTW), the man we got was not the man you thought you elected. The real Biden would never have signed many of the executive orders that came down the pike. And in fact when asked about some of them by the press, he said he didn't issue those EO's. No one in the press bothered to investigate. The real Biden would have been a weak President but not destructive in the way his auto-pen doppelganger was.

Biden, Obama & Bush all mixed up classified documents with personal documents. However, they cooperated with the National Archives and returned the documents. Accidentally taking something is not a crime.

Trump refused to cooperate and lied about what he had. His authority to declassify ended the second he left office. Declassification is a specific act, there is no implicit declassification. He even showed classified documents to friends a Mar A Lago.

The crimes are mishandling of classified information, theft of government property and violation of the Official Records Act.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Accidentally taking something is not a crime.

Obama was a President. He had declassification authority. Biden did NOT while he was VP or Senator. He was NEVER authorized to remove any classified material and we have people rotting in jail who did so "accidentally" to prove it. Hur elected to not prosecute because he deemed Biden to be a senile old man. Too bad he was our President at the time and the auto-pen pilot was actually making the executive decisions while Biden ate ice cream and rode his bike on the beach.

Trump WAS cooperating with the National Archives. The raid on his home was DOJ being weaponized and totally uncalled for by anyone's judgement, except perhaps yours.

 

[Steve R.]

Accidentally taking something is not a crime.

Biden did not accidentally take classified items out of the Senate skiff when he was a senator. It was done on purpose. Biden also blamed his staff for moving them, ignoring the fact that he purposely removed the documents from the Senate skiff. His failure to acknowledge his theft and to then blame it on others is despicable.

He even showed classified documents to friends a Mar A Lago.

First, Trump was working with the National Archives. The Biden administration weaponized the National Archives to go after Trump. As to Trump "showing" classified information, it is my understanding that it was being waved around in front of a person who could not actually read it. It was a publicity stunt.

Now with Biden, according to Grok: "... the report by Special Counsel Robert Hur, President Joe Biden shared classified information with his ghostwriter, Mark Zwonitzer, while working on his 2017 memoir Promise Me, Dad." Unlike Trump, the ghostwriter had real access to classified information.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Biden, Obama & Bush all mixed up classified documents with personal documents. However, they cooperated with the National Archives and returned the documents. Accidentally taking something is not a crime.

Trump refused to cooperate and lied about what he had. His authority to declassify ended the second he left office. Declassification is a specific act, there is no implicit declassification. He even showed classified documents to friends a Mar A Lago.

The crimes are mishandling of classified information, theft of government property and violation of the Official Records Act.

We have to view this with perspective. Remember, Trump is portrayed as an existential threat to democracy he’s “Hitler,” “Stalin,” and “Mao” rolled into one. He’s described as a master and architect of propaganda, a thief, a liar, and a conman. So of course, they believe they must do everything in their power to stop him including attempts on his life. Meanwhile, the Democrats accused of similar behavior are seen as ordinary politicians who were simply doing their best for the country, nothing to see here.

 

[Steve R.]

We have to view this with perspective. Remember, Trump is portrayed as an existential threat to democracy he’s “Hitler,” “Stalin,” and “Mao” rolled into one. He’s described as a master and architect of propaganda, a thief, a liar, and a conman. So of course, they believe they must do everything in their power to stop him including attempts on his life. Meanwhile, the Democrats accused of similar behavior are seen as ordinary politicians who were simply doing their best for the country, nothing to see here.

As a follow-up. When Musk recently made a gesture that was similar to a Nazi salute, the Democrats and the media went foaming at the mouth berserk that Musk was really a White nationalist. Cory Booker duplicates Musk's gesture, the Democrats and media say nothing to see here!!!

Sen. Cory Booker roasted by pundits who accuse him of making Nazi salute at political event

The Garden State Democrat made the gesture at a Democratic convention in California — placing his hand over his heart and then gesturing to the crowd with a straight arm and an open hand above shou…

nypost.com

"Internet influencers were quick to jump on Booker’s salute, and wonder where the outrage is when there was so much criticism by Booker’s fellow Democrats and others on the left of Musk."