Trump Administration Predictions (2 Viewers)

RogerCooper said:
His IEEPA tariffs for starters.
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Please cite the Supreme Court decision on this.

Have you looked at other laws that Trump could use? After all Biden, when shutdown by the Supreme court, would try to construe (maliciously twist) other laws as being applicable to get around the Supreme Court ruling. Biden had no respect for Supreme Court rulings that found his actions "unconstitutional".
 
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Especially when there are clauses of the Consitution that give the president broad powers, tariffs could be argued they are within that depending on how they are interpreted. It's futile to argue they are illegal. They may, however, be foolish.
 
Thales750 said:
It give me no pleasure to have called this one correctly.

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it's premature to say with certainty that Trump's tariff policies (or any future economic actions) will definitely lead to disaster. Economic outcomes depend on many moving parts, including how other countries respond, how domestic industries adapt, and what else is done to offset the impacts. We don't know what the ultimate outcome might be irrespective of your self proclaim expertise. ;)
 
AccessBlaster said:
it's premature to say with certainty that Trump's tariff policies (or any future economic actions) will definitely lead to disaster. Economic outcomes depend on many moving parts, including how other countries respond, how domestic industries adapt, and what else is done to offset the impacts. We don't know what the ultimate outcome might be irrespective of your self proclaim expertise. ;)
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Ok. I would prefer to be wrong. It's just so rare, I don't count on it.
 
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Isaac said:
Especially when there are clauses of the Consitution that give the president broad powers, tariffs could be argued they are within that depending on how they are interpreted. It's futile to argue they are illegal. They may, however, be foolish.
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What clause in the Constitution gives the President broad powers? What it states is that the President must "take care that the laws be faithfully executed". There is nothing that states that he can do whatever he wants unless specifically prohibited.

Nor is there an exception for stupid laws such as the TikTok ban that Trump has refused to enforce.
 
RogerCooper said:
What clause in the Constitution gives the President broad powers? What it states is that the President must "take care that the laws be faithfully executed". There is nothing that states that he can do whatever he wants unless specifically prohibited.

Nor is there an exception for stupid laws such as the TikTok ban that Trump has refused to enforce.
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The problem is that under the auspices of previous Congressional action and also as a response to numerous judicial decisions, the president has been determined to have the ability to direct the actions of the various executive departments - even though Article II of the constitution doesn't explicitly say that. Your narrow view doesn't take in "enabling legislation" that details how things work, as defined by Congress.

To claim that because the constitution doesn't enumerate the power of Tariffs, it means that DJT can't impose them ... totally ignores the (many) layers of laws that have been passed under the constitution to grant or recognize those powers. If the enabling laws were constitutionally acceptable then DJT's actions are not unconstitutional.

To be clear, I'm not saying he does or doesn't have the power. My criticism is your argument, which is weak because of its attempt to narrow the scope of possible authorization to impose tariffs.
 
The_Doc_Man said:
The problem is that under the auspices of previous Congressional action and also as a response to numerous judicial decisions, the president has been determined to have the ability to direct the actions of the various executive departments - even though Article II of the constitution doesn't explicitly say that. Your narrow view doesn't take in "enabling legislation" that details how things work, as defined by Congress.

To claim that because the constitution doesn't enumerate the power of Tariffs, it means that DJT can't impose them ... totally ignores the (many) layers of laws that have been passed under the constitution to grant or recognize those powers. If the enabling laws were constitutionally acceptable then DJT's actions are not unconstitutional.

To be clear, I'm not saying he does or doesn't have the power. My criticism is your argument, which is weak because of its attempt to narrow the scope of possible authorization to impose tariffs.
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The IEEPA does not grant any power to impose tariffs. There are other laws that can be used to impose tariffs such as section 232, but Trump did not use those laws (probably because of the procedural requirements). The constitutionality of Presidential tariffs under section 232 is a separate issue.
 
RogerCooper said:
What clause in the Constitution gives the President broad powers?
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The president has broad authority over the U.S. military as commander in chief. The president can issue executive orders that direct federal agencies and officials.

Foreign Policy
Veto Power
Pardons and Clemency
Emergency Powers

etc. etc.
 
RogerCooper said:
I am still trying to figure out how selling us cheap stuff is walking over us.
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If you actually paid attention to what Trump SAYS rather than what the TDS people say he said, then you would know that is far from a complete picture of the problem and so trying to condense the issue to that single partial point is misinformed and a typical tactic.
 
AccessBlaster said:
The president has broad authority over the U.S. military as commander in chief. The president can issue executive orders that direct federal agencies and officials.

Foreign Policy
Veto Power
Pardons and Clemency
Emergency Powers

etc. etc.
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The Constitution makes no mention of "Emergency Powers". All the other powers are limited, not broad. Limited powers is the entire point of the Constitution.
 
Thales750 said:
He was lying.
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So the videos and the sworn affidavits of poll workers were all lies? How about the illegal law changes? Are you disputing the FACT that Democrats insist on counting ballots no matter when they are received? Why is it when Trump says something you don't want to believe, he is "lying"? LIE is a very strong and deliberate word. Your implication is that Trump KNOWS for a fact that what he is saying is inaccurate and that isn't the case at all so does that mean that you are the liar? Because if Trump isn't lying, then you surely are.
 
Pat Hartman said:
If you actually paid attention to what Trump SAYS rather than what the TDS people say he said, then you would know that is far from a complete picture of the problem and so trying to condense the issue to that single partial point is misinformed and a typical tactic.
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The Trump say contradictory things. Is he trying to revive American manufacturing with protectionist tariffs or trying to negotiate zero-zero tariffs? These are contradictory goals. You tell me what he means.
 
RogerCooper said:
The Trump say contradictory things. Is he trying to revive American manufacturing with protectionist tariffs or trying to negotiate zero-zero tariffs? These are contradictory goals. You tell me what he means.
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Trump wants fair trade. That statement has been pretty consistent. The tariffs being imposed are reciprocal. Trump loves them because temporarily they bring in a lot of money but the ultimate goal is no tariffs or trade barriers or currency manipulation. Please listen to Trump and not the TDS folks. It will be a lot less confusing for you.
 
Pat Hartman said:
Trump wants fair trade. That statement has been pretty consistent. The tariffs being imposed are reciprocal. Trump loves them because temporarily they bring in a lot of money but the ultimate goal is no tariffs or trade barriers or currency manipulation. Please listen to Trump and not the TDS folks. It will be a lot less confusing for you.
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What you make of Trump's statements about reviving American manufacturing? Or his tariffs on countries he previously negotiated free trade agreements with?

"My plan includes a pledge to restore manufacturing in the United States." - Trump
 
RogerCooper said:
What clause in the Constitution gives the President broad powers?
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Funny that you would ask that question in regards to Trump when Democratic presidents routinely implemented "broad powers". As I've said before, Obama claimed that he had a pen an phone to do whatever he wished in the absence of Congressional restraints. Then look at Biden illegally importing millions of unauthorized immigrants and Biden giving the Supreme Court the finger when it came to (illegally) canceling student loans. Finally, Biden in direct contradiction to equal rights made racism official US government policy. So why do you question the extent of Trump's Executive Authority but are silent concerning the abuse of Executive Authority when it is a Democratic president?
 
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