Trump Administration Predictions (2 Viewers)

[RogerCooper]

Another mischaracterization. You are inappropriately conflating two events. The president has the authority to initiate a military action without a declaration of war. Congress does have the power to declare a war but that is is independent of the authority of the president to initiate a military action.

Congress can't use this law to 're-write' the Constitution, legal scholar argues | Fox News Video

Former Deputy Assistant Attorney General John Yoo weighs in on whether the War Powers Act is constitutional on 'Life, Liberty & Levin.'

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John Yoo reduces Congressional power to declare war to a merely symbolic act, as his in view, the President can engage in war without limits (except by cutting off funding after the fact). At time of ratification, no one suggesting that the Constitution gave the President this authority, the debate was over whether the Congress had too much power to declare war. https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C11-2-2-5/ALDE_00013913/.

Note that G W Bush went to Congress in 2002 to get specific authority to act against the Iraqi government while continuing to negotiate. There was nothing to prevent Trump from doing the same. Having clear authority to act would have strengthened his hand in negotiations.

Israel shows the danger of investing war powers in a single person. Under Israeli law (Israel has no constitution), the war power is invested in the war cabinet, who serve at the pleasure of the Prime Minister. Netanyahu has repeatedly engaged in wars without debate in the Knesset. Has this worked out well for Israel? Is going to war with Iran a good idea for Israel without even ending the Gaza war first. One war at a time.

 

[RogerCooper]

I've actually been surprised at the opposite- bipartisan support and praise coming from both sides of the aisle for Trump's actions. I think personally that the congressmen are thankful that they were not subjected to the political dangers of having to vote yes or no on it. Most people seem to be glad it's done

 

[Pat Hartman]

Funny, I don't see any mention of Libya, Syria, Bosnia, etc.

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here was nothing to prevent Trump from doing the same.

Duh!! Secrecy comes to mind. If Trump had asked for permission, some self-righteous Dem would have called up the Ayatollah with the plans as he left the chamber.

 

[AccessBlaster]

 

[RogerCooper]

Evidently you did not watch the video clip. Levin and Yoo discussed this very point. The president has the authority to initiate unilateral military action.

John Yoo cites Alexander Hamilton's call for an energetic executive. However in Federalist Paper 69, Hamilton explicitly rejected the view of a unilateral Presidential war-making power.

The President is to be commander-in-chief of the army and navy of the United States. In this respect his authority would be nominally the same with that of the king of Great Britain, but in substance much inferior to it. It would amount to nothing more than the supreme command and direction of the military and naval forces, as first General and admiral of the Confederacy; while that of the British king extends to the DECLARING of war and to the RAISING and REGULATING of fleets and armies, all which, by the Constitution under consideration, would appertain to the legislature.-Hamilton

I am sure that John Yoo has read the Federalist Papers. He is deliberately ignoring their actual content. You can't trust Fox News commentators. They may pretend to be conservatives but their job is to rile up the maximum number of viewers.

 

[RogerCooper]

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Iranians had already pulled material out of the sites. The effect of the attacks was minimal.

 

[NauticalGent]

but their job is to rile up the maximum number of viewers

Spot on, and this applies to all MSM programs. Two sides of the same shit sandwich. Just because the taste is suitable to your palette, you're still eating shit...

 

[RogerCooper]

Spot on, and this applies to all MSM programs. Two sides of the same shit sandwich. Just because the taste is suitable to your palette, you're still eating shit...

If you want commentary on the Constitution by someone who actually has read the Constitution and supporting documents try out Eugene Volokh at Reason. Everything has citations so you can confirm what he is saying.

 

[Pat Hartman]

I think Schumer was informed. The minority leader didn't take the President's call.

Iranians had already pulled material out of the sites. The effect of the attacks was minimal.

And that makes you happy? I'm pretty sure that fact was considered when planning the attack. I don't think our military is as stupid as you think they are. Even I knew that the Iranians had enough warning to have moved what they had already made. Hopefully someone was watching and knows where it is now.

 

[RogerCooper]

I think Schumer was informed. The minority leader didn't take the President's call.

And that makes you happy? I'm pretty sure that fact was considered when planning the attack. I don't think our military is as stupid as you think they are. Even I knew that the Iranians had enough warning to have moved what they had already made. Hopefully someone was watching and knows where it is now.

What was this whole thing about? The effect on Iran's nuclear program was minimal.

Given Trump's remarks about the cease-fire violations, I think he figured out that he was being played by Netanyahu.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Given Trump's remarks about the cease-fire violations, I think he figured out that he was being played by Netanyahu.

I'm angry with Netanyahu also. He's been fighting these evil people for so long, he's adopted their tactics.

What was this whole thing about? The effect on Iran's nuclear program was minimal.

That is one man's opinion.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Let me see if I have this right:
Iran is an innocent victim of Western imperialist aggression. They’re enriching plutonium to 60% purely for peaceful energy purposes. They live in harmony with all non-Muslims. Meanwhile, the “Orange Hitler” wants to rule the world, and Iran is just in his way. The stupid conservatives are all brainwashed into voting for him because they’re evil too.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Clueless CNN host Erin Burnett "I remember at one point being in Tehran years ago, and they’re chanting ‘Death to America’ all around me, even as I say, ‘Oh, I’m an American, reporting for CNN.’ And they were happy to speak to me".

Duh, your on the same side.