Trump Administration Predictions (7 Viewers)

The_Doc_Man said:
I do too - but he got reported for overuse of the term 'Nazi' a few months ago. As a moderator, it is my goal to help Jon keep the forum away from things that would trigger the new UK law on insulting site content. That was why the reminder was necessary.

Behind the scenes, Jon has asked me and the other moderators for a little bit of help here and there in keeping things respectable. I probably am too lenient sometimes - and acknowledge that as a failing on my part - because some people skirt the ragged edge of direct personal insults of a credible nature. But we have to remember that there are overly sensitive souls out there who take umbrage at the smallest comment. That makes for one helluva balancing act. When we stay techie, that is more easily defensible. But the Politics and Watercooler sections can get rowdy and the margin between free speech and insulting speech sometimes CAN get razor-thin.
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I hear ya . We have to play nice with these new laws that are coming out.

I just felt someone had to stand up for thales and say Look, if the propoganda methods are similar, they are similar, and pointing it out is no where near inappropriate conversation.
 
In my warning, I made it clear that as long as Thales750 carefully directed his comments, no member would feel targeted. We all make disparaging comments about politicians, but as long as they aren't forum members, they are fair game in my book. BUT there is a caveat to my book... it is from the USA and the UK plays by slightly different rules. Which is why I warn a lot rather than ban a lot. But in the past, I HAVE enacted a short-term ban more than once.
 
Jon said:
It is slur by association. But let's test this...

Biden was a man, like Hitler.
Biden had a dog, like Hitler.
Biden was a politician, like Hitler.
Biden was a ruler, like Hitler.
Biden used race in his speeches, like Hitler.

Biden has a lot in common with Hitler, yet to say Biden is like a Nazi is just defamatory.

Mother Teresa ate food, like Hitler.
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That is correct Jon, Mother Teresa of all people bares no resemblance. What Trump has done is copy, in some cases verbatim, the actions the Nazis took in their rise to power. If you consider that in 1930 they only got 18% of the votes. Once they got elected into office they used methods that Trump has implemented, or threatened to emulate. I'm not associating anyone with being a Nazi, I'm saying they should learn a little more about the rise of the 3rd Reich.

I can't help but see the similarities, having spent a good deal of my time learning about WWII. It was one of the biggest turning points in human history.

We should not ignore the signs. The human race will driven into a new dark age, if we have another world war.
 
Isaac said:
So in those cases you're doing what I'm describing, only the 'partial' in the phrase 'partial comparison' happens to be very, very slight.
In @Thales750 cases, he at least feels that the comparison in how Hitler slowly integrated his views into the German people via communication methods and how Trump uses communication and speech methods isn't so slight. It's an issue that can have reasonable people on both sides.

And by the way, TONS of conservatives compared covid restrictions to the Holocaust - it was as common as anything to hear.
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As I see it, the comparison is an obvious slur (and tactic) because you are not just linking Trump to how Hitler got power, you are also linking Trump to the death of 6 million Jews and that is the difference. Hitler is known for instigating the holocaust.

Trump is like Hitler.
Hitler killed 6 million Jews.
Trump is a murderous genocidal maniac.

But the opposite is true. Hitler started wars, Trump ended wars. I don't think Hitler would have been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize!
 
Thales750 said:
That is correct Jon, Mother Teresa of all people bares no resemblance. What Trump has done is copy, in some cases verbatim, the actions the Nazis took in their rise to power. If you consider that in 1930 they only got 18% of the votes. Once they got elected into office they used methods that Trump has implemented, or threatened to emulate. I'm not associating anyone with being a Nazi, I'm saying they should learn a little more about the rise of the 3rd Reich.

I can't help but see the similarities, having spent a good deal of my time learning about WWII. It was one of the biggest turning points in human history.

We should not ignore the signs. The human race will driven into a new dark age, if we have another world war.
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Let us tease this out.

What you are talking about is not a binary Trump=Hitler, but rather how close to a clone of Hitler he is. It is on a continuum of likeness. Similarly, Mother Teresa is on that continuum, as is Biden. To say Mother Teresa bares no resemblance is not true. She was European, like Hitler. And Biden is always talking about race in his speeches, like Hitler. Each hold some likeness to Hitler. Biden has done plenty of political speeches in his time, like Hitler. He wanted power, like Hitler.

If you think Trump has used similar methods to Hitler, it doesn't mean these methods are evil. But the implication is that anything to do with Hitler is evil because he killed 6 million Jews.

Trump wants to reduce anti-semitism, not increase it. Why not instead say Trump is not like Hitler, because of this. And that anti-semitism is a problem predominantly on the left? Since Hitler is more defined by anti-semitism than how he rose to power (which was also partly through anti-semitism), it would seem misleading to say Trump is like Hitler when his views are opposite on the most defining parts.

From my perspective, it appears you believe:

Trump does something Hitler did > Everything Hitler did was evil > Trump is therefore evil and a danger to us all > War and genocide is just around the corner.

Just some food for thought.
 
The_Doc_Man said:
Consider in return that in 2024, Trump won by legit majorities in all the categories required to win a Presidential election.
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Oh I agree, I only brought up the part about the small percentage of support Hitler had in 1930 was because even with that he was able to move to a position of authoritarianism. The only thing keeping Trump from doing the same thing, is the advanced nature of the American Democratic Republic, which is set up so much better then Germany was in the first part of the 20th century. They had just gone from being an empire to being a democracy, short 12 years earlier, they didn't even know how to do it yet

By 1933 the votes in support of Hitler moved to majority because they had so many parties and even then only 38 percent supported him. The point was that even with such a minor minority in 1930. Once he got in office he did the things that secured him staying in office until his death a lot of the same things that we see currently in the United States. There's a whole list of things that he's doing that are similar and right from The playbook is a matter of fact.
 
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