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Recent Experience of Converting from LLC to INC
History:
My quest started with my research and plan to write an e-book for a small business using the Innovation Tax Credit.
This regulation is more commonly known as the R&D Tax Credit. About six years ago it went through major changes. Due to the rush job, it had no public comment and the documentation was basically an append on existing regulations with many contidictions.
However, very large companies take advantage of this and receive about $8 x10 9 ($8 billion) in refunds each year, leaving an additional $10 Billion unclaimed.
I was granted appointments with the author of this bill who practices law and helps the larger companies acquire the tax credit.
It is my plan to apply this to my very small programming consulting business and possibly obtain a $5,000 per year tax credit over 2014 and the next several years.
Converting LLC to Inc
In this pursuit, I found a financial consultant who understood the form and was interestied in helping me file it for a small business. However, he showed me why it would only apply to a Inc, not to a LLC.
A programmer friend of mine who made in excess of $150 and hour had shared with me his conversion experience. He spent roughly $12,000.00 to do this. Granted, the company has training videos and fantastic hands-on assistance. I had the belief it was a little steep for me.
Since I had a lot of background experience (previous officer for taking a company public plus board member in non-profits) the financial consultant was able to convert me for around $1,700.00 including filing fees for the State and Federal.
Tax Implications
We converted last December 2014. This made my 2014 filings retro-active for the entire year. My accounting was set up for an LLC. Many things are not as 'deductable' in a LLC as the Inc. I probably spent 200 hours to goe thorugh every invoice and expence since the Jan 1 to my filing on April 1. My wife and son are officers. There are no employees except short-term contracters.
My (plus wife) income in 2014 was about 20% higer than 2013. My all-in tax payments were around $30,000 less. Around $22,000 went into the company IRA.
The accounting for 2015 will be much more simple since it is re-designed for the Inc.
The next step is to use the Innovation Tax Credit. Developing orginal software that improves business (if it is not for retail sale) should apply.
A Tax Credit is not just a refund. It is basically a voucher to pay for the next years tax payments. With a target of $5,000 a year, it isn't retirement funding. But, it can help fund my next innovation.
Had I realized the real savings, the $12,000 fee would have been recaptured the first year. My suggestion is: If your consulting company (plus wife's income) brings in $100,000 or more a year, taking the time to convert to an Inc could be your 2nd work-at-home job. For the hours I put in working on my accounting, corporate bylaws, meeting minutes... at home, it is a fairly great return on investment.
History:
My quest started with my research and plan to write an e-book for a small business using the Innovation Tax Credit.
This regulation is more commonly known as the R&D Tax Credit. About six years ago it went through major changes. Due to the rush job, it had no public comment and the documentation was basically an append on existing regulations with many contidictions.
However, very large companies take advantage of this and receive about $8 x10 9 ($8 billion) in refunds each year, leaving an additional $10 Billion unclaimed.
I was granted appointments with the author of this bill who practices law and helps the larger companies acquire the tax credit.
It is my plan to apply this to my very small programming consulting business and possibly obtain a $5,000 per year tax credit over 2014 and the next several years.
Converting LLC to Inc
In this pursuit, I found a financial consultant who understood the form and was interestied in helping me file it for a small business. However, he showed me why it would only apply to a Inc, not to a LLC.
A programmer friend of mine who made in excess of $150 and hour had shared with me his conversion experience. He spent roughly $12,000.00 to do this. Granted, the company has training videos and fantastic hands-on assistance. I had the belief it was a little steep for me.
Since I had a lot of background experience (previous officer for taking a company public plus board member in non-profits) the financial consultant was able to convert me for around $1,700.00 including filing fees for the State and Federal.
Tax Implications
We converted last December 2014. This made my 2014 filings retro-active for the entire year. My accounting was set up for an LLC. Many things are not as 'deductable' in a LLC as the Inc. I probably spent 200 hours to goe thorugh every invoice and expence since the Jan 1 to my filing on April 1. My wife and son are officers. There are no employees except short-term contracters.
My (plus wife) income in 2014 was about 20% higer than 2013. My all-in tax payments were around $30,000 less. Around $22,000 went into the company IRA.
The accounting for 2015 will be much more simple since it is re-designed for the Inc.
The next step is to use the Innovation Tax Credit. Developing orginal software that improves business (if it is not for retail sale) should apply.
A Tax Credit is not just a refund. It is basically a voucher to pay for the next years tax payments. With a target of $5,000 a year, it isn't retirement funding. But, it can help fund my next innovation.
Had I realized the real savings, the $12,000 fee would have been recaptured the first year. My suggestion is: If your consulting company (plus wife's income) brings in $100,000 or more a year, taking the time to convert to an Inc could be your 2nd work-at-home job. For the hours I put in working on my accounting, corporate bylaws, meeting minutes... at home, it is a fairly great return on investment.