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[jpl458]

Except when you look at it by population

Kinda shows the disparity between the popular vote and the Electoral College vote.Why does Wyoming have 2 senators, which equates to one per inhabitant.

 

[moke123]

sometimes comedians say it best

 

[jpl458]

sometimes comedians say it best

Well played, Moke

 

[Isaac]

That is a false equivalency, and a deflection. That's like saying that we know Joe robbed a bank, but look at all the other crooks, they may have robbed a bank too , so Joe is really not that bad.

I disagree with this oft-quoted thing.

In fact, many potential "wrongs" in our society ARE, in fact, judged by how common they are.

If you had a group of people on an island, and everyone was committing a certain crime every day for 10 years, and nobody ever prosecuted any of it but actually accepted and promoted it - but then one day, you woke up, and one person who committed that crime was prosecuted, everyone would clearly see that something was desperately wrong, and wonder why that person was singled out.

People want parity in prosecution and punishment.

Also, comparing how many people do something can even help determine whether it was really wrong in the eyes of the law.

The difference in your analogy, too, is that nobody robbed a bank. Rather, a media company did what all media companies do every day: Talk about, and host people who talk about, things, some percentage of which are completely BS. But they do it anyway, that's news these days.

IF it actually were a crime, and if it were true that this wasn't the first case ever to prosecute, that might be different - but that's not the case, and comparing Fox with other media companies who do the same thing every day all year, definitely does help to clarify that picture.

It's not two wrongs make a right, it's if only one wrong is ever prosecuted, that calls into question the actual nature of the thing, as well as the motives of the "prosecutor".

 

[jpl458]

Trump's tax cut helped EVERYBODY out. That was it's point. If you pay more in taxes then you are helped at the SAME RATE as everyone else. You just get "more" dollars back.

That is not what the President and his minions the press imply.

Only if the preferential deductions are eliminated.

That is EXACTLY the problem that no one is addressing. It is similar to the extradentary rise in the cost of health care. People with insurance don't care because they are not paying.

My granddaughter attended the same college as my daughter and graduated a year ago. My daughter's tuition in 1986 was $1500 per semester. My granddaughter's was $15,000 per semester. According to the inflation calculator, my granddaughter's tuition should have been ~ $2500 per semester. Talk about excess inflation.

Trump's tax cut helped the rich way more than the average or poor. Trump was quoted, at a MaraLago event attend by the rich right after the tax cut "Now you're really rich'". I looked this up:

High-Income Earners​

When the TCJA was proposed, the independent tax policy nonprofit Tax Foundation found that those who earn more than 95% of the rest of the population would enjoy a 2.2% increase in after-tax income. Those in the 20% to 80% range would see a 1.7% increase.2

Note​

The Tax Foundation indicated that those in the bottom 20% would only receive a 0.8% increase.

 

[jpl458]

Do you think that Trump broke any law while he was President, or after. Not asking about Hillary, or Biden or Chester Arthur, just Trump.

 

[AccessBlaster]

You'll have to be more specific, the left threw everything at him from piss tapes to tax evasion.

 

[jpl458]

Did he break the law with regards to the classified documents that were kept at Mara Lago? Remember this, a woman got 5 years for leaking a document to the news media, and justice was swift.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Did he break the law with regards to the classified documents that were kept at Mara Lago? Remember this, a woman got 5 years for leaking a document to the news media, and justice was swift.

Technically maybe, I don't think the DOJ wants to create a precedent in law where they could go after a former president for mishandling classified documents. The Democrats have already fallen victim to this type of shortsightedness.

 

[AccessBlaster]

If a President has the authority to declassify any document, then what technicality are you referring to?

I've looked to see where and when the docs were actually declassified, but so far I haven't seen where this happened. Trump has claimed he did declassify these docs. It might be a matter of semantics.

 

[moke123]

It does not matter whether they were classified or not. Read the presidential records act.

 

[jpl458]

Either the IRS, the Muller commission, the FBI, BOTH impeachments, the CIA, and the NY Prosecutor, etc. are totally incompetent or no, he didn't commit any crime worthy of prosecuting. Every new bogus charge raises the hopes of the left and especially the media because if it bleeds, it leads. We've got him NOW!!!!! They can't pin anything on him so they've decided to hurt him in his pocket book by making him spend millions of dollars every year to defend himself from their made up charges and fishing expeditions. Boy they were sure they had them when they raided Mar a Largo. They forgot or elected to conveniently ignore the fact that as the President, he could declassify ANYTHING. All they wanted to do was to embarrass him and make Melania really pissed off at him by messing up her underwear drawer. Ask yourself why the FBI told the staff to turn OFF the cameras. Why didn't they want film of what they were doing? Was their plan to plant something actually incriminating???? Was that what the raid was for?

Other government officials such as Senators and VPs have limited authority to declassify that generally covers only things they personally classified and sometimes not even those. Therefore Joe Biden actually did commit a crime when he took home classified documents as Senator and as VP. As President, he doesn't retroactively get to declassify the documents. When he is out of office, he deserves to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, exactly as he would have done to Trump if he had a leg to stand on.

Open your eyes. If the IRS audits him, his business, his children, and many of his friends for good measure every year and finds nothing but trivia, then they are persecuting him. Are you audited every year? How would you feel about that?

Read the law regarding the declassification of classified documents. The President cannot just say it's declassified, there is a process for declassifying secret documents. Your last sentence is in error as well. He under valued, and over valued the same assets depending on the situation, including his taxes. You can't do that. He has all those law suits because he broke the law, a lot. I have some personal experience with regard to his litigious nature, and the fact that he mostly tries not to pay his bills. If he were a Democrat, I would be saying the same things about him.

 

[AccessBlaster]

The mishandling of presidential or other sensitive material is bad news if you are a staffer, but good luck throwing Trump, Biden, or Pence in jail anytime soon. It's a ploy to interfere with the next election similar to the laptop from hell, it's politics.

 

[jpl458]

I don't quite agree that it is just a ploy, and there is some politics involved, but this I am sure of; Donald Trump is going to spend the rest of his life fighting in courts, because of the number of cases, Georgia, New York, and the multiple Fed cases, and the fact that his tactic is to delay everything as long as he and his lawyers can. He is 77 years old, and these matters won't be reconciled for at least a decade. In my opinion, I think just being Donald Trump is punishment enough, he is the most unhappy person I have ever seen. Imagine the angst he endures on a daily basis.

 

[moke123]

The mishandling of presidential or other sensitive material is bad news if you are a staffer, but good luck throwing Trump, Biden, or Pence in jail anytime soon. It's a ploy to interfere with the next election similar to the laptop from hell, it's politics.

Except Biden and Pence didn't obstruct justice and returned the small number of documents they had promptly. They also didn't permit a staffer to copy them to a thumb drive and laptop and didn't file fraudulent attestations that they had no more records.

 

[moke123]

Presidents make their own rules.

You may be confusing that with a King.

 

[moke123]

from your link:

There are other federal laws in place that bar a president from taking government records, whether they are classified or declassified.

 

[moke123]

Going after Trump for something it seems that anyone else could do with impunity is PERSECUTION.

Nobody else refused to give them back and claimed they were his.