The diary of Anne Frank is falling behind

"If you don't have the self control to not shoot someone you hate just because you have a gun in your hand, you absolutely should not have a gun because you cannot be trusted with one."

I agree with that, so how do you legislate it, how do you make sure that those that shouldn't have guns, have them.
 
There is no way to ensure that. There are also people who act on impulse. With which person can you be sure that he never gets extraordinarily upset?
There are also fearful people who shoot first and look carefully afterwards.

Nor does the person who legally owns the weapon have to pull the trigger. There are curious children and highly emotional teenagers. The presence of a gun is already a problem.
 
jpl458 said:
"If you don't have the self control to not shoot someone you hate just because you have a gun in your hand, you absolutely should not have a gun because you cannot be trusted with one."

I agree with that, so how do you legislate it, how do you make sure that those that shouldn't have guns, have them.
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It really depends on the state. First you need a FOID card which is firearms owner ID. The state police takes your finger prints and does a background check. In my state, a misdemeanor conviction for domestic violence gets you a big NO! When you purchase a firearm, the dealer is supposed to hold onto it until they check with the state police. Every one has to follow their jobs here. There are checks and balances.
 
cheekybuddha said:
Sorry, the quote grabbed more than i intended (now edited).

It read to me that you were trying to work out getting guns to those who should NOT have them!
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Not what I meant at all. It seems to me that having fewer guns, with extensive background checks, and licensing would reduce gun deaths. I know a gun dealer, and you can just walk into his store and walk out with any kind of gun, few, if any , questions asked. Beyond the physical aspect of firearms, it's now an industry that churnes a lot of money. Guns are dangerous and I put them right up there with the danger and peril of drag queens
 
Where there are many legal weapons, there are also many illegal weapons. Weapons are lost, stolen, resold under the table.
 
AngelSpeaks said:
It really depends on the state. First you need a FOID card which is firearms owner ID. The state police takes your finger prints and does a background check. In my state, a misdemeanor conviction for domestic violence gets you a big NO! When you purchase a firearm, the dealer is supposed to hold onto it until they check with the state police. Every one has to follow their jobs here. There are checks and balances.
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What state are you mentioning? I live in Texas, and anything goes, it seems.
 
ebs17 said:
Where there are many legal weapons, there are also many illegal weapons. Weapons are lost, stolen, resold under the table.
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Are you saying that there is nothing we can do?
 
Besides the official market, there is always a secondary market. This market adheres less to the law. In addition, there is an illegal market (criminal milieu, darknet).

The secondary market and the illegal market can only be gradually dried up by rigorously restricting the official market. Without the will to do so, things will remain as they are or get worse. Weapons manufacturers and dealers are interested in profit and profit optimization. What will happen if everyone thinks about their own freedom and well-being?
 
I think that guns have gone ahead of cars as the number 1 cause of trauma, and that number is increasing year on year. There is a black markt, more of a gray market, where people in states that have restrictive gun laws, drive to a nearby state, that has few restrictions, and load up. Happens big time in Chicago. The Arsenal for Chicago gangs is Indiana. Just cross over the bridge and get whatever you want.
 
I live in California back in the 80s I made a few purchases. I was required to go to the Sheriff's office and be fingerprinted on all ten digits. The fingerprints were checked by the feds. Back then there was a fifteen day waiting period, then you could pick up your gun. The store also is required to file a DROS document with the AFT and other federal agencies. The DROS doc recorded the serial number and my driver's license among other things. They did everything but a prostate exam.

I also took an NRA sponsored gun safety course when I was sixteen.
 
jpl458 said:
The Arsenal for Chicago gangs is Indiana. Just cross over the bridge and get whatever you want.
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The AG of Chicago should start handing out hefty sentences for people who use guns in the commission of a crime, but we know that won't happen because culture and demographics = woke.
 
jpl458 said:
What state are you mentioning? I live in Texas, and anything goes, it seems.
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Well you don't mess with Texas. Gunpowder is in their veins.

I'm in Illinois. Criminals get free rein with weapons and we law biding citizens get the shaft.
 
jpl458 said:
I think that guns have gone ahead of cars as the number 1 cause of trauma, and that number is increasing year on year. There is a black markt, more of a gray market, where people in states that have restrictive gun laws, drive to a nearby state, that has few restrictions, and load up. Happens big time in Chicago. The Arsenal for Chicago gangs is Indiana. Just cross over the bridge and get whatever you want.
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They can illegally purchase guns in Chicago. They don't have to go to Indiana.
 
AccessBlaster said:
The AG of Chicago should start handing out hefty sentences for people who use guns in the commission of a crime, but we know that won't happen because culture and demographics = woke.
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Why not turn the gun spigot down a few notches. Did you have a problem with the way they handled it in California? I wouldn't have.. We have a gun legacy because of our history in this continent. But the buffalo don't roam any more, and the wild west has football teams, and highways, towns everywhere. In case anyone hasn't noticed, we won the west.
 
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