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[Pat Hartman]

I agree with that, so how do you legislate it,

Why do you think legislation is the solution to all problems? Legislation is only useful when people respect the law and law enforcement officials enforce the law EVENLY.

Do you think we have laws against unlawful use of a gun? You bet your sweet bippy we do and guess what? Corrupt prosecutors reduce the penalty of crimes that involve a gun instead of enforcing them to the full extent of the law. Given the evidence on his laptop and from police reports, how many gun crimes do you suppose Hunter Biden broke when he lied on his application and then tossed the weapon into a dumpster? Did anyone bother to prosecute those crimes? Oh, I forgot, his name is "Biden" not "Trump" so he can break as many laws as he wants. Evidence be damned.

Do you think we have laws against importing illegal drugs? How about against human trafficking? How about entering the US illegally? How about identity theft? Why are we not enforcing those laws?

Do you think most states have laws against ballot harvesting? Why do we not enforce that law?

There should be NO law on the books that we do not actually enforce. This is how banana republics work. There are so many laws out there that you are probably breaking one right now as you read this reply. That allows "law" enforcement to enforce laws against you if you somehow become a threat to our "democracy" like if you pray at an abortion clinic and get into a minor scuffle with a pro-abortion activist. They'll show up in the dead of night with 30 vehicles, helicopters, and a hundred officers with long guns, in riot gear to scare the crap out of your family and neighbors.

Open your eyes to see the America you are living in.

I know a gun dealer, and you can just walk into his store and walk out with any kind of gun, few, if any , questions asked.

You didn't mention the name so this isn't libel. However, is this remark hearsay or do you actually have first hand knowledge? Have you gone in to buy a gun? Why not try and see how easy it is.

 

[AngelSpeaks]

Why not turn the gun spigot down a few notches. Did you have a problem with the way they handled it in California? I wouldn't have.. We have a gun legacy because of our history in this continent. But the buffalo don't roam any more, and the wild west has football teams, and highways, towns everywhere. In case anyone hasn't noticed, we won the west.

People I know are afraid to go into Chicago because of violent crime. The police hands are tied. They are quitting in record numbers and moving to police friendly areas.

 

[AccessBlaster]

I thought the left loved "equity and fairness" how is it equitable and fair by punishing the 90% for the deeds of the 10%?

 

[Pat Hartman]

I thought the left loved "equity and fairness" how is it equitable and fair by punishing the 90% for the deeds of the 10%?

You can't discuss logic with a leftist. Their head starts to twitch, their eyes start to spin, and they resort to calling you names because they can't defend their positions with logic.

 

[moke123]

Where there are many legal weapons, there are also many illegal weapons. Weapons are lost, stolen, resold under the table.

They can illegally purchase guns in Chicago. They don't have to go to Indiana.

Up until 7-8 years ago the gun cases I've been involved in were mainly guns stolen from legal gun owners. There was a pipeline from southern states to Ma. Now the majority of guns I see are ghost guns. You don't need to leave your house to buy an illegal gun . Just order the parts online and UPS brings them right to your door. Some assembly required. IIRC, you only need to drill a couple holes in the frame to get a fully functional firearm. Plenty of instructibles online.

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[Pat Hartman]

@moke123 How do you feel about the lax/low enforcement of existing gun laws?

 

[AccessBlaster]

You don't need to leave your house to buy an illegal gun . Just order the parts online and UPS brings them right to your door. Some assembly required. IIRC, you only need to drill a couple holes in the frame to get a fully functional firearm.

those look like regulated gun parts that are not illegal to buy or own. By definition, ghost guns aren't sold on eBay because the ATF would shut them down immediately if not sooner, but nice try.

 

[moke123]

frames without the wholes drilled are not illegal and are not considered firearms.

 

[moke123]

those look like regulated gun parts that are not illegal to buy or own. By definition, ghost guns aren't sold on eBay because the ATF would shut them down immediately if not sooner, but nice try.

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[AccessBlaster]

this make you feel better?

I am aware it can be done, it wasn't clear on your eBay link showing ordinary replacement gun parts.

 

[moke123]

Had one a couple years ago who bought parts from ebay. I wasn't about to do it, but dig deep enough I'm sure you can find lowers and full kits. my point was they're readily available and easy to assemble. All from the comfort of home.

 

[AngelSpeaks]

Had one a couple years ago who bought parts from ebay. I wasn't about to do it, but dig deep enough I'm sure you can find lowers and full kits. my point was they're readily available and easy to assemble. All from the comfort of home.

As a seller on eBay, these types are products are not allowed. If you see them, click the report button. Online shopping is not supposed to circumvent the law.

 

[jpl458]

Well you don't mess with Texas. Gunpowder is in their veins.

I'm in Illinois. Criminals get free rein with weapons and we law biding citizens get the shaft.

We Lived in Chicago for a while. Most corrupt place I ever lived, but great restaurants.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Look for a spike in gun sales as people try and beat any statutory deadline. The left is a gun selling machine!

 

[AngelSpeaks]

We Lived in Chicago for a while. Most corrupt place I ever lived, but great restaurants.

That's for sure.

 

[Steve R.]

Biden is all politics, all the time. Biden amazingly has time to: "Biden is set to sign the order during a trip to Monterey Park, California, where he will meet with families and the community impacted by the mass shooting that killed 11 and injured nine others in January." and to meet with race baiters to celebrate atrocities against Blacks on a bridge in Selma, AL.

Conversely Biden has absolutely no time to visit the open border to congratulate himself for importing illegal immigrants, which he had proposed when campaigning to tout his success. But more to the point of this post; Biden,the supposed environmental president, has no time to visit Palestine, OH to propose an action plan to address this environmental disaster.

 

[Isaac]

I was trying to make the point that the Governor says he's protecting children, but won't address any part of what is the leading cause of death among kids. Don't really know how you got to a dystopian future with this. It was the Nazi's, the people on the right, that went after the girl.

Good thing the two Christian nations (at the time) of the world stopped the Nazi's, isn't it?
Come to think of it, the real Christian Quakers group was the first to oppose slavery and get the ball rolling there, too.

 

[Isaac]

Are you again comparing a machine gun that is designed to be used in war scenes and kill, with something that is designed for travel and is mis-used?

What does the design matter, if it is the outcome that hurts and really matters?
Do you realize that guns are used to STOP crimes and PROTECT people in many, many occasions that will never make the news and never be recorded, because there is no such recording mechanism?
Have you ever walked through a bad, gun-ridden neighborhood in the USA?

If you landed on a planet for the first time, objectively not knowing anything about it, and many bad people there had guns, isn't the first thing you'd do to protect your family = make sure you have one too? Or would you go around preaching and bragging that you had no gun, so that your family would be sacrificed to marauders?

The idea of there being NO guns ANYWHERE is not an entirely bad one.

The irrational part comes when you start suggesting that ONLY THE GOOD PEOPLE go WITHOUT guns.

If law-abiding citizens are not allowed, and do not obtain, guns, what is the immediate outcome of that?
Only the criminals will have guns. Because they, obviously, being criminals, will not respect the "no guns" law.

Thus the outcome is removing the ability of self defense from law abiding, innocent families - which makes no sense.

The right to defend one's self and one's family must surely be one of the most basic rights in humankind.
If you live in a country with almost no guns, then maybe guns aren't needed for that.
If you live in a country with lots of guns, then guns are needed for that. Removing them is not noble, it's unfair, and hurtful to those who wish to retain an item in their home or their car that may save them from being hurt by others.

 

[Isaac]

As a seller on eBay, these types are products are not allowed. If you see them, click the report button. Online shopping is not supposed to circumvent the law.

Hence my point about we have to be cautious and thoughtful about gun control.

It may be true that "many" (possibly even 'most') people could agree in theory on the idea of pressing a magic button and there being no more guns anywhere, ever again.

However, this is obviously not the paradigm we live in. The truth is that, generally speaking, in areas of the country--maybe just say the entire country, since the States are so connected and people are so completely mobile--the reality is that if you suddenly deny law-abiding citizens the right to guns, the only result is that law-abiding citizens do not have guns. Criminals still have guns, and this situation understandably frustrates most people's sense of fairness.

If there was any way that a lawmaker could guarantee that the removal of guns from law-abiding citizens would concur exactly-in-time with the total and complete removal of guns from criminals (i.e., from everyone), you would get a lot more agreement. I'm not saying you would get full agreement, and possibly not even Most. Nor is my intention to get bogged down in that particular question, as I realize we could begin talking about sports, hunting, etc - my main intention here is simply to point out this one thing: On the self-defense issue, which is a very serious and very basic human right, exactly identical to the right not to be abused, killed, tortured, raped, etc--on that issue, the simple removing of guns from law-abiding people is inherently unfair, as it occurs by itself, and everyone knows the bad guys are still all out there, running around with millions of guns on the underground, if not overground as well!

I have tried very hard to respect and even learn from the perspective on American guns, the perspective that is had by people from other countries.
However, the flawed aspect of it cannot be ignored, nor should it be.
To simply come into a country that is absolutely over-run with guns, and where being invaded in your home or car or sidewalk and hurt very badly is a real threat every day in every USA city.......and to say "Why don't you guys just ban guns?" - is a very silly thing to say, if you stop for a minute and think what the result of that would be, and that its main result would be to hurt innocent people. To desire that is no better than the people who you believe don't care that guns are hurting people - because in that moment, you yourself are not caring about the fact that removing guns only from the good guys would mean the same thing as hurting people and not even permitting them to be given a chance at fighting back.
It may seem indirect, but it's just as bad, if less intentional.

 

[Pat Hartman]

To simply come into a country that is absolutely over-run with guns,

"Over-run". That's a little over the top. Here's some ownership stats from 2020