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[Thales750]

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What happened between 2020 and 2021?

Where did you get that chart. It is absolute proof of conservative misrepresentation I got gas yesterday for $2.89.
And Oh' yeah, Trump's plan would have created even worse inflation. He was pressuring the FED to keep the prime rate at 0%. Which is one of the myriad of factors that lead to the inflation cycle.

There's a lot to inflation, trying to blame it on the president is tricky business. The good times that Trump enjoyed was a result of one of the longest financial good times in the last hundred years. Both of which were during democratic presidents terms. in 2008 Obama inherited the financial crises equal to the great depression, but they turned that into the great comeback. By the time Trump was finished it had been destroyed.

Seriously, do a little digging into what the causes of the inflation really was.

 

[Jon]

A week ago, Biden was gloating and mocking Trump, calling him, "Broke Don." Well, that didn't age well, did it! "Broke Don" is now worth about 350 times what Biden is worth. Biden's comments just made himself look like an idiot. How incompetent can you be!

 

[Jon]

By the time Trump was finished it had been destroyed.

Let's not mention global Covid lockdowns, shall we?

If the economy is bad when Biden is in power, it is external problems causing it. If it is during Trumps reign, it was Trump causing it. If the economy does well when Obama is in power, it is due to Obama. If it does well when Trump is in power, it was because of external factors brought by the previous administration. All bad things are due to Trump, all good things are due to external factors.

 

[Thales750]

Just to add, what was slightly right of centre 20 years ago is considered ultra right wing extremist by todays left. I like Elon Musks meme of this concept.

The major flaws in this diagram is that number one it is purely fictional, or at least one person's opinion.
What is not an opinion, you can look this up.
If you leave that fiction part alone for a second, then you can focus on the number of people in the "fringes". You will find that there is a much larger percentage of right wing extremist than there are left. The far left could, and may, be further from the center, but there are so many less of them. They pose a much less danger to fabric of our society.

You are seeing the results of the far right now.

The agenda of the right is to instill fear and loathing. If pat takes me up on my offer of making a list of her statements, it should become clear, the mind set of the far right.

 

[Thales750]

That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. What part of my remark in #165 prompted the name calling? Did John McCain not vote to overturn ObamaCare every time the bill came up for a vote EXCEPT for once the republicans had Congress and the Presidency so the vote mattered? When the vote came up while Trump was President, ObamaCare would have been overturned except that McCain had a raging hatred of Trump because Trump offended McCain because of a tasteless remark Trump made about McCain's stint as a POW. So to screw Trump, McCain screwed us all instead by voting No. Some "hero". Trump was right about him.

That is not opinion. Would you like me to make a list of your unequivocal statements?
As far as the ACA, millions of people that were previously denied coverage are now covered.

 

[Thales750]

Let's not mention global Covid lockdowns, shall we?

If the economy is bad when Biden is in power, it is external problems causing it. If it is during Trumps reign, it was Trump causing it. If the economy does well when Obama is in power, it is due to Obama. If it does well when Trump is in power, it was because of external factors brought by the previous administration. All bad things are due to Trump, all good things are due to external factors.

That is not what I am saying. But here are to facts.
Obama inherited as crises equal to the great depression. The global economy lost $50 trillion right before he took office
Trump took office during the huge (8 year) sustained growth period.
during the Clinton Administration the Federal budget was balanced and we had another long period of financial health.

Are you asking me to prove a point? Because I have, the economy is not in the shambles that conservative are trying to have us believe. What is in shamble is conservative confidence. Hence all the noise of gloom and doom.

And yes, Covid was the catalyst that lead to inflation. But that is a very complicated scenario, with multiple root causes. I would be happy to have a conversation about it.

 

[Jon]

The major flaws in this diagram is that number one it is purely fictional, or at least one person's opinion.

A persons opinion isn't a flaw or fiction because you disagree with it. In fact, your own statement is itself a contradiction. Your opinion is that it is fictional, but you yourself say the flaw can be because it is a person opinion. So is your opinion also not a flaw, because it is an opinion? Think about that for a while.

We can't leave any fiction part alone for a second, because I do not see any fiction. The only fiction is your claim it is fiction, IMHO.

You will find that there is a much larger percentage of right wing extremist than there are left.

And this is precisely what the diagram is showing. The left has gone so far left, that all right wingers are now perceived as extremists. And this is corroborated exactly by your very own statements. I think, respectly, this meme might have flown over your head.

The agenda of the right is to instill fear and loathing.

You mean like...

- "There will be a bloodbath." - CNN reporters claiming violent rhetoric by Trump, with bloodshed. (Don't mention its about the auto industry)
- "Half of Trump supporters are deplorables." - Hilary Clinton
- Trump is a threat to world peace. Ignore the lack of wars.
- Trump is colluding with Putin, so to protect citizens we will launch investegations for years using a team of 95% angry Democrat lawyers.
- Trump incites an insurrection. Don't mention him asking to protest peacefully.
= Trump is a thread to democracy, so we must imprison him ASAP, just like our comrades in Russia and China.

 

[Jon]

That is not what I am saying. But here are to facts.

It is what you are implying when you state Trump left the economy in a shambles. You want to ignore the external factors, like Covid, that caused a huge economic downturn at the end of his reign, while bragging about how well Obama and Clinton did. If you weren't blaming Trump, you would say Covid left the economy in a shambles. Your comments were causal.

 

[Jon]

Side note: I hope everybody has a good easter, both the Left and the Right!

 

[moke123]

The ONLY folks who benefited from ObamaCare were the insurance companies.

My daughter would disagree with that one. She pays $35 a month with vision and dental included.

Must be the deep state out to get republicans.

 

[moke123]

Your empathy for other people is breathtaking.

 

[ColinEssex]

Isn't she lucky. At least someone in your family is sucking off the teat of our welfare system. At least all the money isn't going to house illegal aliens and provide them with walking around money and free flights to get the hookers to the johns.

I don't understand what you mean. Free fights? To where? What's 'the johns'? I understand you call prostitutes 'hookers'.
Col

 

[Thales750]

Trump incites an insurrection. Don't mention him asking to protest peacefully.

I watched the whole thing unfold. He was willing to sacrifice the life of the Vise president.
Any non sociopath would have been on the air waves telling them to stand down.

You know, I probably would have a great deal of empathy for her. I contribute regularly to local charities that help poor people. I also contribute to other types of charities. But, here's the rub. When I choose to give my money and time (I also develop software for local charities), it is CHARITY. It is me CHOOSING to give of my money and my time. When the government takes money from me at gunpoint and gives it to someone they deem to be more worthy, it is THEFT. Plain and simple.

I'm glad your daughter has healthcare. We could take better care of all the poor if we didn't do it so stupidly that we waste most of the money. I'm not glad that MY daughter and grandchildren think twice about whether they actually need to go to the doctor's because they essentially have NO insurance despite spending $8,000 per year because they have no coverage until they meet their $5,000 deductible. Perhaps, you'd like to contribute to my daughter's huge deductible. I'm contributing to yours.

Universal Health Care would solve all that. Your guy never had a replacement plan, he just wanted to destroy it because the Obama's folks created it.

 

[Thales750]

Side note: I hope everybody has a good easter, both the Left and the Right!

You too Jon. 35 years of sobriety has taught me to be thankful. Which means blessed from certain point of view.

 

[Isaac]

They are making his worshipers even more fanatic.

You mean that majority of the nation that you so despise?

 

[Isaac]

The major flaws in this diagram is that number one it is purely fictional

Not really, it is strongly suggested from the fact that the Democrats are hemoragghing demographic blocks left and right. It is very unlikely that society has become more fanatical, it is likely that certain elements of the party have, this is why few people are planning to vote Democrat in the next election.

 

[Thales750]

You mean that majority of the nation that you so despise?

60 million is not a majority. Well it is a majority, but it is not the majority.

I don't despise them. I am concerned about the level of fanaticism they exabit, and their inability to discern the falsehood and contempt in their messaging.

I am as far from the left as i am from the right. Depending on a person's fanatic scale they will see me as someone, as you put it, " A majority that I despise." Rarely do fanatics from either side see me as a moderate.

 

[Thales750]

Not really, it is strongly suggested from the fact that the Democrats are hemoragghing demographic blocks left and right. It is very unlikely that society has become more fanatical, it is likely that certain elements of the party have, this is why few people are planning to vote Democrat in the next election.

I think that it is an indicator of the fixes that we need to implement in our nation; when the main argument seems to be that "your guy" is worse than mine.

The root cause of this problem is obvious.

Brain washing all around, from all sides, and it is so effective we just all collectively spent hours right on this very thread writing about it. Database developers are among the highest echelons of intelligence in our society. And yet, here we are. From my point of view. you are probably not really interested in my ideas on that subject

Think about that.

 

[Thales750]

That isn't the argument at all. You have been convinced by the constant barrage of negativity that Trump is the evil orange man. A lot of that noise is specifically intended to bury the anti-American and Anti-Constitutional edicts coming out of the Biden White House and DOJ. You can find the truth if you search for it with open eyes. You don't have to personally like Trump to see that he was/will be a far better President than any we've had for years. You just have to get past the parts of his personality that "offend" you. If the world thinks he is a bully, who cares. That probably kept the problem people like Putin in line while Trump was President.

That is as completely incorrect as is humanly possible. This is exactly the kind of rhetoric that proves just how effected people are by Trump mania.

 

[ColinEssex]

That is as completely incorrect as is humanly possible. This is exactly the kind of rhetoric that proves just how effected people are by Trump mania.

It doesn't surprise me that it's allegedly incorrect.
Col