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[Steve R.]

I am glad to hear it. What do you think of Trump's pardons?

Extreme selective reality. Biden, with his pardons, legitimized the president for running the Executive Branch as a criminal enterprise. Moreover, Biden unleashed the FBI on the Jan6th patriots. Biden was lawless and used the powers of government to persecute political opponents.

 

[Isaac]

Isaac thought that people who assaulted cops should not be punished because other people in other jurisdictions who did not assault cops were not prosecuted.

Totally wrong, but I've grown tired of repeating myself.
If you've convinced yourself that BLM rioters weren't violent, you're quite delusional. the sumtotal of Floyd/BLM-related violence was far greater by many orders of magnitude than what happened on Jan 6th.
I never said the BLM rioters weren't violent nor did I say they didn't assault cops (they did of course) - you just did say that though , which is ridiculous to even suggest. I think I'm unwatching this thread. Roger has many questions and few answers. Ya gotta give as much as you take or you aren't worth debating. He likes to ask what he thinks are 'hard questions' but refuses to answer any of them going the other direction - lazy, evasive, deflecting.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Look at the data yourself

here's some osint.

The Prosecution Project

data.theprosecutionproject.org

I did. If you filter the results for Oregon you can clearly see the bias in prosecution of J6ers compared with left leaning criminals.

Many more pages after this, but you get the point.

 

[Isaac]

I did. If you filter the results for Oregon you can clearly see the bias in prosecution of J6ers compared with left leaning criminals.

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Many more pages after this, but you get the point.

Those must be Roger's "mostly peaceful protestors", heck of a lot of assaults!

 

[AccessBlaster]

Those must be Roger's "mostly peaceful protestors", heck of a lot of assaults!

There's a ton more

 

[Isaac]

DOJ says Jan. 6 clemency covers Florida convictions for guns, grenades and classified info

The Justice Department said the president’s Jan. 6 blanket pardon extends to firearms and explosives recovered far from the Capitol.

www.msnbc.com

There's a guy who was somehow related to J6, and they put him in prison for SEVEN YEARS essentially for the crimes of
- possessing a sawed off shotgun unregistered
- having saved 2 grenades from the army from his time in special forces years before
- having saved a piece of classified paper because it was a Report that he himself authored while special forces

So yeah, he technically took some contraband as memories - 7 years in prison. Oh, and he also "trespassed at the Capitol on January 6 wearing military gear" Oh my! Taking souvenirs from your former employer and marching around in military gear, how scandalous!

 

[RogerCooper]

Are you willing to go down every leftwing rabbit hole? Because we have a lot to cherry pick from, just sayin.

What do you mean by a "leftwing rabbit hole"? You can condemn Trump for pardoning people for assaulting cops while agreeing with him on other issues. What do you even mean by left wing and right wing?

Trump has committed many illegal and inappropriate acts, but the pardons were among the most egregious. That is not cherry-picking.

I am still confused by discussion of the lack of prosecutions in Oregon. It has no bearing on the January 6 riots. Two wrongs don't make a right. The failures in Portland are a matter to dealt with by the citizens of Portland. Is anyone saying that the Federal government should have modeled is response to the January 6 riots upon the practices of Portland?

 

[Steve R.]

... but the pardons were among the most egregious. That is not cherry-picking.

Unfortunately, you have a demented case of TDS. Biden illegally used the power of the state to persecute these patriots. Trump merely corrected that abuse. Your selective hyperbolic tirades against Trump ignore the reality that the Biden administration was a corrupt criminal enterprise. Your priorities are misplaced.

 

[RogerCooper]

Unfortunately, you have a demented case of TDS. Biden illegally used the power of the state to persecute these patriots. Trump merely corrected that abuse. Your selective hyperbolic tirades against Trump ignore the reality that the Biden administration was a corrupt criminal enterprise. Your priorities are misplaced.

How is punishing people for assault and vandalism illegal persecution?

 

[Steve R.]

How is punishing people for assault and vandalism illegal persecution?

Consider that your are turning a mole-hill into a mountain. That the Biden administration ignored prosecuting real violence by those on the left. So if you are truly concerned about "assault and vandalism"; you should be condemning the Biden administration.

 

[RogerCooper]

Consider that your are turning a mole-hill into a mountain. That the Biden administration ignored prosecuting real violence by those on the left. So if you are truly concerned about "assault and vandalism"; you should be condemning the Biden administration.

The Biden administration had no authority to deal with local crimes. I condemn the Portland city government for abandoning the streets.

 

[Steve R.]

The Biden administration had no authority to deal with local crimes. I condemn the Portland city government for abandoning the streets.

You may want to rethink your position assuming that you are capable of doing that.

Portland protesters barricade courthouse with federal officers inside, then try to set it on fire

Portland protesters barricaded federal officers inside a courthouse — and tried to set the building on fire — as the two groups clashed again Tuesday night into Wednesday. As hundreds c…

nypost.com

Grok:

The courthouse under assault in Portland was the Mark O. Hatfield U.S. Courthouse. Located in downtown Portland, Oregon, this federal courthouse became a focal point of protests and clashes, particularly during the unrest in 2020, when demonstrators and federal officers frequently confronted each other outside its walls. Named after Mark O. Hatfield, a former Oregon senator known for his near-pacifist stance, the building has been a significant site in the city’s recent history of civil unrest. (emphasis added)

 

[AccessBlaster]

I am still confused by discussion of the lack of prosecutions in Oregon. It has no bearing on the January 6 riots. Two wrongs don't make a right. The failures in Portland are a matter to dealt with by the citizens of Portland. Is anyone saying that the Federal government should have modeled is response to the January 6 riots upon the practices of Portland?

The 2020 crime data used by The Prosecution Project is intended to show that J6ers were not treated any differently than anyone else. However, that theory falls apart when you filter the data by state for the same year. For example, filtering by Oregon reveals groups committing political crimes, arson, and other felonies yet these individuals were given little to no jail time. In the column heading, their ideology is labeled as "leftist."

The whole point of The Prosecution Project is to compare apples to apples. It fails.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Many of the individuals involved in political unrest in Oregon, particularly during the 2020 riots in Portland, had prior criminal records and were often repeat offenders. Reports and arrest records indicate that some individuals were arrested multiple times for similar offenses but faced minimal consequences.

In contrast, the majority of J6 defendants had little to no prior criminal history. Many were first-time offenders with no record of violent behavior or political-related crimes before January 6, 2021. This distinction has been noted in discussions about disparities in prosecutions and sentencing.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Both D.C. and Portland are liberal run and seem to focus primarily on prosecuting ideology on the right.

 

[RogerCooper]

The 2020 crime data used by The Prosecution Project is intended to show that J6ers were not treated any differently than anyone else. However, that theory falls apart when you filter the data by state for the same year. For example, filtering by Oregon reveals groups committing political crimes, arson, and other felonies yet these individuals were given little to no jail time. In the column heading, their ideology is labeled as "leftist."

The whole point of The Prosecution Project is to compare apples to apples. It fails.

It looks like the US Attorney for Portland didn't do their job.

 

[AccessBlaster]

It looks like the US Attorney for Portland didn't do their job.

I wouldn't hold my breath. These are liberal strongholds where you can't get elected if you prosecute progressive ideas.

 

[RogerCooper]

I wouldn't hold my breath. These are liberal strongholds where you can't get elected if you prosecute progressive ideas.

The US Attorney is a Federal employee. The local prosecutor is elected by the voters (except in NJ). Blame the voters of Portland, not Biden.

 

[AccessBlaster]

The US Attorney is a Federal employee. The local prosecutor is elected by the voters (except in NJ). Blame the voters of Portland, not Biden.

I wasn't blaming Biden, I'm pointing out certain realities that you and many others don't share.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Let's talk about rioters being paid and bussed in. Do you have any evidence for that?

Not me personally. But occasionally, if the police are not ordered to stand down so that they round up everyone, which is what they should always do, they get an amazing number of people who don't live locally. Really? You travelled a couple of hundred miles by bus and just happened to be in the thick of things when the riot started? Some reporters actually report facts like these.

Here's just one link from the 2020 riots.

Over half the people arrested in Kenosha protests are from out of town

Well over half the people arrested during the deadly riots in Kenosha had traveled there from outside the Wisconsin city, police have revealed. Of the 175 arrested during protests sparked by the po…

nypost.com

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I Know Paid Protesters Are Real (Because I'm One Of Them)

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https://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Ferguson-Missouri-paid-protesters/2015/05/25/id/646587/

At a minimum - who paid for all the tents in the pro-Hamas demonstrations?