Habemus papam!

[Pat Hartman]

What are you talking about? She called me stupid again, I mention a fundamental aspect of economics and advise her to stop saying people are stupid.

your interpretation of the economics of government is that it is a perpetual motion machine. it takes money from the rich and gives it to the poor. how does that create anything. why should the people at the input end of the pipe keep working and creating money from nothing only to have it stolen and given to others the government deems more worthy. and along the way, the government has to syphon off a large percentage of that monetary flow for 'handling' and salaries of its minions. that means whatever trickles down is far less than what was stolen initially.

government, especially ours, has clearly defined functions and none of them say anything about being robin hood. our government has grown to the point of being out of control. trump is trying to get control of it but the deep state is fighting for its life and it is winning. you can see that by examining congress' reaction to the waste, fraud, and abuse highlighted by doge. -- business as usual - no legislative action to stop the leaks.

1. what does government create
2. what happened to the socialism experiment of the Plymouth colony
3. why would the rich keep contributing to the recycling effort that steals their money. they have been enormously successful so far in paying congress to create loopholes for them to exploit to minimize what the government can steal.

 

[Thales750]

I will be honest here.

Really, in all reality, nothing will stop what is coming. so I guess Que sera, sera, it doesn't matter.

Hopefully enough of us (humans, not just Americans) will survive to give us a future.

These are some of the possibilities I see:
1. global conflict, maybe Thermonuclear
2. the destruction of the eco system
3, complete abject poverty, and untimely death, for a large part of the global population
4, China becomes the next hegemony, the US continues to get enslaved by fascism
5, a new kind of socialism/capitalism emerges where the wealthiest pay all the taxes and compete with each other for the markets. People are given sustenance income
6. there are no jobs for humans anywhere in our economy, so humans find new things to do, aided by out new overlord the AIs
7. the Matrix.

There are more, but as you can see, none of the desirable outcomes are supported by conservative world views or ideologies. We are now in the steep part of the logarithmic automation curve. The next few years will see the biggest unemployment growth in history. This conservative tax-the-middle-class out of existence mantra is making us unprepared for what's coming.
You will see.

 

[Thales750]

what does government create

rockets
ships
bridges
roads
sewer systems,
Nation Forest maintenance, so trees,
the list goes on, several tens (or hundreds) of trillions of dollars worth, the evidence is all around.

What you obviously cannot grasp is economic multipliers, which are the building block of the GDP. Government contributes around 30% of the GDP in the form of currency circulation.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Pat asked "What does government create?"

You responded with:

rockets
ships
bridges
roads
sewer systems,
Nation Forest maintenance, so trees,

Rockest: Except that the Chinese invented rockets. Government just paid for someone who knew how to make specific kinds of rockets. But they were created by private industry responding to government RFPs. But the government doesn't even design the rockets. They just list abilities and the engineers create them.

Ships: Except that ships were invented so long ago that there is reference to them in writings that pre-date the Bible. Government doesn't create them - privately-run shipyards do that. During WW II, my dad that. (He worked for the Andrew Higgins company making liberty ships.) Again, the government just lists what they want it to do and the engineers do the creating and imagining.

Bridges: Built by engineering firms, paid for by the government, which only lists end requirements. Same theme.

Roads & Sewer systems: Need I repeat this, or do you get the picture yet?

Trees: The government hires arborists and other specialties. The only kinds of trees government makes are convoluted organizational trees.

Next you'll be telling us that Access creates databases when we ALL know it's just a tool. Or do you believe that screwdrivers assemble furniture (as opposed to a carpenter)?

 

[AccessBlaster]

what does government create

Mostly paperwork and bureaucracies.

 

[Thales750]

Government just paid for someone who knew how to make specific kinds of rockets

Every word you utter proves my point. Your very existence is an extension of propaganda. Your world view is ending, that's why y'all are so angry. In your heart you know the old ways are dead, and you can't see a way through. I don't have any contempt for you, although you have enough for me, for the both of us.

It's just such a shame that so many people have been hoodwinked by the Crown. Thousands of generations, and we have still not learned to the see the real demons.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Next you'll be telling us that Access creates databases when we ALL know it's just a tool. Or do you believe that screwdrivers assemble furniture (as opposed to a carpenter)?

They all know that guns kill people. Who are you to say that screwdrivers don't assemble furniture?

 

[AccessBlaster]

...Your world view is ending, that's why y'all are so angry. In your heart you know the old ways are dead, and you can't see a way through.

Is this some kind of mental projection or reverse psychology? Very bizarre.

The only things that are dead are Woke, DEI, and the border. You’re the ones who are angry. Your predictions never come true, and your constant harping on doom and gloom only resonates with a small group of like minded followers. Babylon is crumbling, and you're in a panic.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Your predictions never come true,

Even Greta has had to switch to "free Palestine" because the world didn't end last year.

 

[Thales750]

They all know that guns kill people. Who are you to say that screwdrivers don't assemble furniture?

Who?

 

[Thales750]

Is this some kind of mental projection or reverse psychology? Very bizarre.

The only things that are dead are Woke, DEI, and the border. You’re the ones who are angry. Your predictions never come true, and your constant harping on doom and gloom only resonates with a small group of like minded followers. Babylon is crumbling, and you're in a panic.

Does anyone actually care about Woke, or DEI.
Doom and gloom, I think the future is bright. It's just the people that cling to dogma that are impeding us. My predictions have been coming true for decades, you just don't let yourself see it. Your eyes are fixated on woke.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Does anyone actually care about Woke, or DEI.

Yes, about half the country makes critical decisions based on arbitrary factors such as skin color, race, religion, and sexual orientation. It's the main platform the Democrats run on.

Doom and gloom, I think the future is bright.

That's debatable based on your constant harping on propaganda and your sky is falling scenarios.

My predictions have been coming true for decades, you just don't let yourself see it. Your eyes are fixated on woke.

Please enlighten me on your best publicly announced prediction that has come to pass.

 

[Thales750]

Yes, about half the country makes critical decisions based on arbitrary factors such as skin color, race, religion, and sexual orientation. It's the main platform the Democrats run on.


you mean republicans. It's one of the best tools for getting a criminal elected to the white house. Anti woke sentiment is the most powerful cool aid of all.

 

[Thales750]

That's debatable based on your constant harping on propaganda and your sky is falling scenarios.

I say you people are ushering destruction. Read my list, some of those outcomes are very positive. None of the good ones will happen until conservatism has been curtailed.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Your post #73 is confusing, you quoted me while answering me in the same quote.

 

[AccessBlaster]

I say you people are ushering destruction. Read my list, some of those outcomes are very positive. None of the good ones will happen until conservatism has been curtailed.

It's not up to us to validate your claims, it should be obvious to the reader that your claims are true. Up until now you are just speculating doom without anything to back it up.

 

[Thales750]

It's not up to us to validate your claims, it should be obvious to the reader that your claims are true. Up until now you are just speculating doom without anything to back it up.

This is an easy one but I predicted the fallout of Trump and Musk. You don't even believe that we are destroying the eco system of the earth. So there is no self evidence you will ever except.

 

[AccessBlaster]

This is an easy one but I predicted the fallout of Trump and Musk. You don't even believe that we are destroying the eco system of the earth. So there is no self evidence you will ever except.

My wife has a theory about the fallout. Trump and Elon are in cahoots, they are pretending to be at odds in an effort to drive Tesla stock higher.

 

[Thales750]

My wife has a theory about the fallout. Trump and Elon are in cahoots, they are pretending to be at odds in an effort to drive Tesla stock higher.

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Maybe. But is that good?

 

[AccessBlaster]

Maybe. But is that good?

If it makes liberals lose their mind...the answer is yes