Boxing Ring (2 Viewers)

[Rich]

If we had stayed British colonies, where do you think we would be now?

In control

And, would GWB have had a chance as PM

Definitely NOT!

 

[Kraj]

If we had stayed British colonies, where do you think we would be now?

That's an extremely interesting question. I'm sure we'll see some thought-provoking answers...

 

[Brianwarnock]

If we had stayed British colonies, where do you think we would be now?
And, would GWB have had a chance as PM?

Would there have been a GWB, or worse no Jazz no Elvis, no Buddy.. heck the mind boggles at the possibilites, mind you Australia was only developed after we got kicked out of America so no Mike375? all clouds can have silver linings

Brian

 

[Brianwarnock]

As a second thought if the moderates in England had prevailed and the colonists had been treated responsibily , stayed as colonies would the balance of power shifted so that the mother country became second fiddle? Would the enormous power such a combination would have had have rotally corrupted its people? would it have developed into a world government ? Would... hey you could go on ..for well ages.

Brian

 

[Kraj]

Would... hey you could go on ..for well ages.

That's a good point. I guess so much has happened in the last 200 years that it'd be pretty much impossible to even make a guess as to how events would have played out differently.

Would the economic and social tensions that spawned the U.S. civil war have gotten to that level if the British government still controlled the colonies?

Would World Wars I & II even have occurred if Britian completely controlled the American industrial might?

Would the United Nations exist? Would anyone know the difference?

How would events have been different if no President of the U.S.A. had been involved?

Too many questions...

 

[TessB]

Would the Indians still be a thriving race?

 

[jsanders]

Would the Indians still be a thriving race?

Hell no, the British taught us all we needed to know about conquering continents.

 

[Kraj]

Would the Indians still be a thriving race?

Lol...who sent the people that killed the Indians in the first place?

 

[Rich]

Lol...who sent the people that killed the Indians in the first place?

Germany

 

[jsanders]

Germany

Actually the French had some pretty good run-ins with the natives as well.

 

[Kraj]

Germany

Well, Spain really, but only Native North Americans count...

 

[TessB]

Lol...who sent the people that killed the Indians in the first place?

I don't know... America seems to bear the blame and the stigma of committing genocide. We were alone in our barbarism, weren't we?

 

[Brianwarnock]

Actually the colonists gone on pretty well with the indians who fought on both sides during the war of independence, it was only the massive expansion of America that saw the major conflicts take place, and i don't think the same happened in Canada.

Brian

 

[jsanders]

Actually the colonists gone on pretty well with the indians who fought on both sides during the war of independence, it was only the massive expansion of America that saw the major conflicts take place, and i don't think the same happened in Canada.

Brian

You’re referring to the plains Indians. It’s easy to lump them all together. But the conflicts were decades apart.

The genocide of the plains Indians was indeed a purely American endeavor, battle hardened soldiers form the Civil War were put in charge of dealing with the “Indian problem”.

That’s the period where we killed all the bison to deplete their food supply.

The prier conflicts had been settled more or less by the time of the American Revolution. By both the settlers and the Europeans.

 

[Brianwarnock]

Are you saying that the early settlers didnot get along with the Indians?
I know the contacts with the Indians took place over centuries not just decades before the massacres, that was my point.

Brian

 

[jsanders]

Are you saying that the early settlers didnot get along with the Indians?
I know the contacts with the Indians took place over centuries not just decades before the massacres, that was my point.

Brian

I’m agreeing with you. The conflicts were not linier in the eastern part of the continent, as you said they got along and they had wars. There were many different tribes and many different relationships. The conflicts in the east go all the way back to the 1500s.

The conflicts on the plains were very linier and relentless until the natives were either dead or in concentration camps.

Most of the movies you’ve seen are about them. With horses the Spaniards brought over 200 years earlier.

I am no expert by any means. I haven’t actually thought about this in years. It’s interesting to rethink it in the context of the current political climate though.

I’m part native myself, actually my mother is a legal native. It’s surprising to think how little I actually know about my own ancestors.

 

[Rich]

Actually the French had some pretty good run-ins with the natives as well.

And they carried on in 'nam 'till you took over

 

[Rich]

The conflicts on the plains were very linier and relentless until the natives were either dead or in concentration camps.

That's 'cause the white man pinched their land to make way for the ironhorse

I’m part native myself, actually my mother is a legal native.

What's "legal native" mean anyway, aren't all those who have legal citizenship regarded as legal?

It’s surprising to think how little I actually know about my own ancestors.

and shameful did your Mum not discuss her ancestry?

 

[TessB]

and shameful did your Mum not discuss her ancestry?

Sure, but all she said was that her prom theme was "Fire"

 

[jsanders]

That's 'cause the white man pinched their land to make way for the ironhorse




What's "legal native" mean anyway, aren't all those who have legal citizenship regarded as legal?



and shameful did your Mum not discuss her ancestry?

Legal Native is defined as a minimum ¼ Native American

Yes my mother did discuss it. Records from that part of the country during those times were ephemeral at best. My mother’s native ancestors were actually 3 generations removed but marriages from 2 different branches of our tree gave us twice the percentage. So she’s actually 2/8ths instead of 1/4th


Texas was a frontier longer than a lot of other places. Truly its population didn’t really take off until after Air-conditioning was invented.

Lots of records got lost and we had to rely on folk-lore. Some of it was very erroneous.