Environmental Lip Service...(Deep breath)

[GaryPanic]

Lots of good points but what are you doing to solve the problems aside from ranting or agreeing with certain points?
Aside from reading lights ours are solar regenerated in our home. We have two wind turbines for my shop tools and lights. I drive a moped to work and only burned 10 gallons of gasoline communing since April which includes combining trips to shop for newspaper and groceries on the way home. We compost, use shopping bags and not plastic which we have done for years. We recycle all our plastic metal and paper waste.
We run our farm equipment on ethanol which we produce ourselves in a solar still which is sourced mostly from corn and our own high sugar content compostable waste. The CO2 from the production of ethanol is vented into our greenhouse and the left over slurry is animal feed.

well its a start (lol)

 

[Pauldohert]

Lots of good points but what are you doing to solve the problems aside from ranting or agreeing with certain points?
Aside from reading lights ours are solar regenerated in our home. We have two wind turbines for my shop tools and lights. I drive a moped to work and only burned 10 gallons of gasoline communing since April which includes combining trips to shop for newspaper and groceries on the way home. We compost, use shopping bags and not plastic which we have done for years. We recycle all our plastic metal and paper waste.
We run our farm equipment on ethanol which we produce ourselves in a solar still which is sourced mostly from corn and our own high sugar content compostable waste. The CO2 from the production of ethanol is vented into our greenhouse and the left over slurry is animal feed.

Nothing!, I am awaiting legislation and industy to act - my leader on this is Gore - I too have no personal repsonsibility! - and a carbon footprint the size of my arse - mines a little more pert than his!

 

[Rich]

Why fine me for having no insulation - I can't even afford to turn the heating or lights on anyway (they were cut off!) but the queen can easily afford to insulate - leave the 50,000 lights on and heat a palace - and you don't fine her at all.

Go on benefits, you'll then get free insulation a free highly efficient heat boiler and system

 

[Rich]

What really pisses me off is that with just one per cent of the worlds population we are responsible for just 2% of the worlds carbon emmissions, the mighty US with 8% of the worlds population is responsible for 25%. We may as well just be pissing in the wind because they have no intention of lowering theirs, especially under that pr*ck Bush

 

[Alc]

human contribution to global warming is something like 5.38% ergo quit all this global warming crap and go with the flow its a natural cycle of the world & history proves this (Iceage's etc...) sure we're speeding it up a little but in the words of Agent Smith in the matrix & Hans Blix in Team America: "It is inevitable" all this crap about Honda prius's being better for the environment is aload crap.. i mean the fuel consumption on a prius is as honda claim 57.6 which is bullsh*t & obviously stated throughout the numerous car reviews it is actually more around the 45-50mpg mark.. oh and did i mention the big f*off battery on the prius needs replacing every 5 years.. now that is some serious pollutants rite there! So not only is the fuel efficiency the same as your average diesel car it also sh*ts out a nice big battery... niice you will probably find in the long run that the prius causes more pollution as an overall statistic. Oh i did i mention that my VW Golf GT TDi 2001 does 70mpg if i drive it like a saint and 60mpg if i put my foot down.
Sorry for the rant I've had enough of all this global warming bollocks... so we mite be speeding it up a cuple hundred thousand years, sod it. & the interest of global warming specifically focused upon the output of motor vehicles & planes is ridiculous. The average output from a plane is mile better then aspects such as the fuel powered trains/boats etc.. Also remember that that beefburger your eating, well the original herd (i would say cow but i very much doudt that meat in a burger is from one particular cow anymore) it came from collectively produce's a more damaging effect on the environment than the human race as a whole. blah blah blah its a never ending argument and dont get me wrong Im not saying we arnt contributing I'm just saying that in comparison to other contributors we are but a small amount & thats why i get so annoyed at everyone going "omg global warming" I strikes me that the world is very similar to the human body in the fact that everything seems to be bad for it you just have to take it in moderation thus im saying get a decent fuel performer car if your local transport is crap (i.e. the majority of the uk), recycle etc.. etc... etc... Oh and i like the wind turbines idea because they look friggin awsome !

Enjoying reading uour posts, mate. Some well made points in there, but you've got to start adding some paragraphs. Take pity on us poor readers, eh?

 

[Vassago]

What really pisses me off is that with just one per cent of the worlds population we are responsible for just 2% of the worlds carbon emmissions, the mighty US with 8% of the worlds population is responsible for 25%. We may as well just be pissing in the wind because they have no intention of lowering theirs, especially under that pr*ck Bush

Actually Rich, not that I'm a fan of the man, he personally has done his part to help conserve energy with the ranch house he had built...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp

Back to lurk mode

 

[statsman]

The new player in the Greenhouse effect is China.
Booming economy, factories opening all over the place, steel mills galore

AND NO REGULATIONS.

As the Chinese don't report their pollution, toxic waste and Greenhouse gases, who knows what their contribution is.

 

[Pauldohert]

The new player in the Greenhouse effect is China.
Booming economy, factories opening all over the place, steel mills galore

AND NO REGULATIONS.

As the Chinese don't report their pollution, toxic waste and Greenhouse gases, who knows what their contribution is.

And you've hit the nail on the head on why the west suddenly thinks it important.

 

[twoplustwo]

Hi Guys,

The only *real* solution to almost carbon-free power that can sustain cities/countries is nuclear.

In the UK "green" generation such as wind/solar and so on makes up a tiny percentage of the GB gen. capacity.

 

[twoplustwo]

AG49,

Some good points. In many countries wind/solar gen. is a. too low in capacity to make a dent and b. far too erratic. There is a lot of work going on at present with regards to the definition of "green power" - there is a difference between being almost free of carbon (nuclear) and being renewable (wind etc.).

Their are plans for new nuclear reactors to be built across Britain, so it looks as though the govt. have realised this is going to be the case, too.

 

[thisisntwally]

There has been some success storing wind/solar power by "storing" it in reservoirs. (this is unclear, they pump large amounts of water, which can then be used to provide steady energy when the 'wind don't blow, and the sun don't shine') That being said this is geographically infeasable in most places, and as has been stated the only solid source for baseline power is Nuclear Power. The problem this poses lies first in the prohibitive cost in building such a facility, second in ass-backwards BabyBoomers who live in perpetual fear of some sort of nuclear holocaust (we X and Y types are generally more reasonable in this regard), and lastly but certainly not leastly is the problem of waste disposal. With the yucca mountain facility (the only long term high grade waste storage facility in ANY stage of construction) being blocked by a certain senator from nevada, this problem is only getting worse. Even if the Yucca site gets built on schedule (2018 last i checked), the 110 odd nuclear power plants in the United States alone should have generated enough waste to fill such a facility by 2014. This waste is currently stored ABOVE GROUND onsite at many plants, as their 'temporary' holding ponds fill up. Granted, vitrification of waste would improve the situation, filtering out much low grade waste, and leaving the nasties in a more stable ( or at least less drippy) state. Before we go on a rampage we need to get a grip on our existing problems, leaving this stuff laying about is a serious risk. Pebble bed reactors, which run on unenriched fuel, can be valuable in future enterprises but have little to no effect on our current situation. I don't want to wax on for thirty pages here, as i might be inclined to do in a more academic (less conversational) setting. But I'll leave it at this, transportation aside, small efforts on the part of consumers (photovoltaic panels, geothermal heat suppliments, greywater utilization, and some wind turbines in those cornfields *i only add this to reserve some power (pun intended) for the masses) combined with a responsible nuclear power industry would easily provide us with plenty of energy for home and industrial usage.

 

[Pauldohert]

If we could harness a bit of the hot air generated by global warming - were onto a winner.

 

[twoplustwo]

Pauldo,

Really? That's like saying "if we could stick thousands of solar panels in space we could harness more of the sun's power". It's too expensive, unfeasible and generally retarded.

Besides, there is significant evidence that the ozone layer is regenerating over either the north or south pole.

 

[Brianwarnock]

twoplustwo I think that you misunderstood Paul, as a fellow Liverpudlian I'm sure he meant the hot air being spoken, ie it was a lighthearted joke.

Brian

 

[twoplustwo]

In that case that's really rather funny

 

[Pauldohert]

I'm sure

And correct!

 

[Kinger43]

I'm not sure that a hole in the ozone layer is a bad thing, and I certainly don't think that it is somethign that man has created. In fact, a hole in the ozone layer will allow carbons and "greenhouse gasses" building up in the atmosphere to leave. This is a good thing; this is Mother Nature balancing herself out. Our problem is that we think we know what the problem is when in reality we don't know squat about the Earth's natural cycles from our tiny blink of existance on it. The fact of the matter is that volcanoes pump out more carbons etc. into the atmosphere daily than man could even dream of producing. Now, I'm not saying that it's OK to pullute the planet, everybody wants a clean environment, but we are putting too much emphasis in one area and pumping too much money into dead end projects like ethanol fuel. Making fuel to run our cars from our food source is a horrible idea and I would personally like to smack the person who came up with it. We do need to find an alternative fuel, but corn isn't it.

 

[twoplustwo]

"I certainly don't think that it is somethign that man has created"

Really? Did you not study geography when you were like 13?

 

[Kinger43]

so you believe everything your teachers taught you in school?

that's foolish, and sheepish

 

[twoplustwo]

so you believe everything your teachers taught you in school?

that's foolish, and sheepish

Wow.

How can you deny such comprehensive and irrefutable evidence. I'm pro-nuclear and think this is retarded.