Criteria for choosing interview candidates (1 Viewer)

Depending on the size of the department and the nature of the work undertaken it should contain a 60/40 or closer gender split, A wide range of ages. asuming that you have juniors and seniors. Depending on the geographical location a retrospective ratio of ethnic origins from the local community. However you may find that some companies only employ people who are of the same race and or religion as the majority of the staff, especially in the Asian community. Also government demands that employers who employ a certain number of personnel MUST employ a given percentage of disabled staff and when advertising for posts if they are under quota then preference must be given to these applicants first. I am not an HR person its just I have connections with these people.

David
 
Depending on the size of the department and the nature of the work undertaken it should contain a 60/40 or closer gender split,

Horse feathers... Hire who will do you the best job. ;)
 
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I am not saying you shouldn't hire the best one for the job. But by natural selection it usually does come out as being 60/40 either way. It's just like flipping coins some heads some tails but do it a hundred times and the ratio is pretty even.

Having said that if you taught a monkey to perform a specific task and he would work for peanuts how would it feel working amongst a group of less educated humans? you have to consider the social acceptancy when determining your workforce, may not be nice but being nice does not pay the bills.

I thing I am beggining to sound like Colin now so I will beat a hasty retreat and leave the rest of this discussion to others.

David
 
Originally Posted by ColinEssex
I wasn't aware that I knew you 25 years ago. Maybe you were one of the pillocks I rejected for interview. Did you ever live in Sussex?

Col

So the people you rejected are automatically pillocks:confused:

Doesn't follow. He rejected a number of people. Some of those rejected were pillocks. He asked if you were one of those. He didn't say that everyone he rejected was a pillock.

He could just as easily have asked if you were one of the tall people he rejected. Wouldn't mean that everyone rejected was tall.
 
David, if you did indeed have knowlege of the NHS, you would know that the Medical Records department is staffed mainly by females. In the 1980's, there were not the same monitoring standards as there are today, indeed departments didn't even have PC's. You should also have known that hospital trusts didn't appear until 1989 - prior to that, hospitals were financed by the Regional Health Authorities.

The overwhelming majority of applications were from females, that doesn't mean I employed solely females, in fact I took on a male with relevant experience and he went on to become a Medical Records Officer in charge of a department in another part of Sussex. Remember also that there were 3 million unemployed, so I got literally dozens of application forms for every vacancy.

I never said I didn't employ ethnic minorities either, I said I rejected those not born in the UK, my department had a mix of a few Asians, but in Sussex, the populace is more inclined to be white British as opposed to say, Leicester which has a high Asian population. I also had a good range of ages, I said the average age was 22 so out of 150 there was a fair amount over 30 / 40 and 50+.

I agree with Ken, I employed the best I could for my department, I was never interested in making sure I had the right 'split' genderwise, or any other wise. If I felt an applicant could do the work, then I employed them, I couldn't care if they were orange with pink spots. Patients needed to be seen and treated, so I, perhaps wrongly in your eyes, focused on making sure the work was done accurately and efficiently in the best interests of the patients.

The modern HR department is not even comparable to what it was 20 odd years ago. That's why they never got involved in interviewing, they left it to me and my deputy to deal with.

Col
 
The modern HR department is not even comparable to what it was 20 odd years ago. That's why they never got involved in interviewing, they left it to me and my deputy to deal with.

Col

I think that's the way it should be

I take offense to being interviewed by someone from HR when they have no expertise in the job & just follow a script that means nothing to them

Sometimes the interviews are just a formality because the jobs have already given to somoene else but it needs to bee seen that the job was advertised & applicants interviewed.
 
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Seems organizations that are required to meet quotas put these otherwise 'less skilled' people in places like HR, which perpetuates the issue... :p
 
Again I agree with Ken and also Groundrush.

Too much emphasis is put on the correct "mix" of staff rather than the most suitable candidate, also the interview being a formality to show the correct procedure is adhered to is very true. Many jobs in admin in the NHS are already "filled" long before the interview process even begins.

Col
 
Again I agree with Ken and also Groundrush.

Too much emphasis is put on the correct "mix" of staff rather than the most suitable candidate, also the interview being a formality to show the correct procedure is adhered to is very true. Many jobs in admin in the NHS are already "filled" long before the interview process even begins.

Col
It's not just the NHS.

Someone at my last company told her secretary to schedule interviews for a certan job, for ten people, over the course of a week. The secretary asked what paperwork she wanted prepared beforehand (CVs, reference letters, etc.) and was told not to bother with any of it, as the job was going to a guy from the production floor. They had to go ahead with the interviews, as union rules said that they weren't allowed to give a job to anyone - however perfect for the job he was - without interviewing external candidates, put forward by the union.
 
I think that's the way it should be

I take offense to being interviewed by someone from HR when they have no expertise in the job & just follow a script that means nothing to them

Sometimes the interviews are just a formality because the jobs have already given to somoene else but it needs to bee seen that the job was advertised & applicants interviewed.

We had a young man working for us on a long term contract. They decided to make the contract permanent and that they should interview him amongst others for the post. Remember, he was interviewing for a development post to build on the software he had been solely building for almost two years. He didn't get the job because he didn't have "sufficient experience to work with our company." When he left, he went to work for Microsoft and now works in their Seatle branch developing Windows.

I suspect the NHS is little different to any other branch of Government.
 
I don't hire women at all.
They are usually prettier than I and I find that offensive.
How about those males that have undergone a gender change?;)
 
Sadly there are a lot of people who are living in their glory days of the past. They are wishing it was the way that they felt more comfortable and secure while they performed their menial duties in a mediocre fashion. New reality is that if you are hiring people you need to hire for now and today. You need to hire the best without any prejudice to what would reside in a closed mind with narrow thinking and false securities. The number of people seeking a single employment as a career is decreasing, this also puts a lot of talent to mine from in the marketplace.
Globalization is going to squeeze everyone which thinks that the old ways of conducting business were best practices. First and foremost purpose in business is to make money and not to create a warm feeling or dreams of grandeur or any other sentiment. The emerging economies have a larger labour base and the individuals who are working in these countries are willing to sacrifice more of themselves then most people would even have happen in their worst employment oriented nightmare.
 
Sadly there are a lot of people who are living in their glory days of the past. They are wishing it was the way that they felt more comfortable and secure while they performed their menial duties in a mediocre fashion. New reality is that if you are hiring people you need to hire for now and today. You need to hire the best without any prejudice to what would reside in a closed mind with narrow thinking and false securities. The number of people seeking a single employment as a career is decreasing, this also puts a lot of talent to mine from in the marketplace.
Globalization is going to squeeze everyone which thinks that the old ways of conducting business were best practices. First and foremost purpose in business is to make money and not to create a warm feeling or dreams of grandeur or any other sentiment. The emerging economies have a larger labour base and the individuals who are working in these countries are willing to sacrifice more of themselves then most people would even have happen in their worst employment oriented nightmare.


I wonder if they have quotas in the china sweatshops? :cool:
 
You need to hire the best without any prejudice . . . . .

How quaint.

You need to get out more and see what really happens. There are more prejudices these days than previously. Mostly brought on by stupid governments bowing down to every freak organisation claiming they are being victimised.

All that does is drives the same prejudices "underground" - in other words they are still as prevalent but not so obvious.

Col
 
You need to get out more and see what really happens. There are more prejudices these days than previously.

The Dutch government has nothing better to do so they are now discussing introducing a law that requires all companies of more than 250 employees to have atleast 30% upper level management be Women !! :eek:

Yes appearently there are more important things than the current crisis and/or nothing actually usefull for them to talk about
 

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