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[ColinEssex]

a point lost by all of the American contributors, I use the term loosely, who seem incapable of reading and understanding posts in their entirety.

I'm afraid that is normal for the US posters - even if they can read it all they misinterpret it then get all pissy about it - so much so, that in one case I was reported to SJ by a Yankee hypocritical freak and received a warning, yet it was an interpretation error of a post by the Yank.

That was about a year ago, I haven't fogotten it yet.

Col

 

[Sum Guy]

As Churchill nearly said "America and Britain divided by a common language". I am just to lazy to check the exact quotation

The British and the Americans are two great peoples separated only by a common language.

George Bernard Shaw

 

[Rabbie]

The British and the Americans are two great peoples separated only by a common language.

George Bernard Shaw

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[georgedwilkinson]

I'm afraid that is normal for the US posters - even if they can read it all they misinterpret it then get all pissy about it - so much so, that in one case I was reported to SJ by a Yankee hypocritical freak and received a warning, yet it was an interpretation error of a post by the Yank.

That was about a year ago, I haven't fogotten it yet.

Col

Awww...hims all mad at us evil Americans for some random person reporting him. As my mother used to say, it'll all get better. You shouldn't hold it against the whole race just because of something that happened a long time ago. Next thing you know, your descendants are holding it against our descendants and they start killing each other in the streets (this sounds familiar...is that already happening somewhere?).

But seriously, folks...we all need to get over it. Life is too short and we are all way to valuable to each other for all this in-fighting. Let's enjoy the things we have in common and celebrate our differences!

 

[Rich]

And I was just pointing out, for those who like to blame America for everything, is that the current population of America wouldn't be here if it weren't for the British, French, Spanish, and Dutch doing their "colonistic" expansion.

Yes, but then you let the Germans in

 

[dan-cat]

No I am suggesting you are being wound up and don't even realise it which makes it more fun

LMAO

Such the comic genius.

If you think that 'winding' Americans up on this forum is either original or subtle then you are so misguided.

If you think we're humorless because we stopped laughing at the same joke repeated ad nauseam then I have something to say. You're wrong. It's the boring, bandwagonesque banter that's humorless.

I was trying to talk about the ad but of course you as many others before you just had to veer off to the same old tired gag. Only made possible of course by the continued presence of your targets who are not only simply aware of your fumbling attempts of wit but are inclined to applaud your or so satirical devices out of common courtesy.

Of course if that courtesy is not forthcoming then woe betide us. Still nevermind, my give-a-s&*tter broke a long time ago.

 

[dan-cat]

The French can say what they like I will still eat their cheese, the Argies want to steal the Falklands off us , but I drink their wine and eat their beef, should I go on? The American's get upset and give up their favourite drink or call French fries - freedom fries, that's what we cannot understand, it seems childish.

Brian

If you discount the fact that Mexican illegal immigration is a hot current topic. Unlike the Falklands or Agincourt. That's the point. The ad is not simply referring to the colonisation of Texas, it is tapping into a current political topic. Made all the more controversial by the Iraq war.

It is simply a lack of outsider understanding to conclude that this ad simply refers to historic colonisation. It is a deliberate attempt by the ad man to tap into current sentiment. A current issue which people hold views on.

Saying that it just refers to US history is just plain naive. Do you really believe that the advertising industry is that uncynical? It just staggers me that the ad company would think they would get away with such a cynical campaign. I hope their sales are worth it

 

[Sum Guy]

HMMMM

Ethics
Advertising

An excellent example of the oxymoron.

 

[Rabbie]

LMAO

Such the comic genius.

If you think that 'winding' Americans up on this forum is either original or subtle then you are so misguided.

If you think we're humorless because we stopped laughing at the same joke repeated ad nauseam then I have something to say. You're wrong. It's the boring, bandwagonesque banter that's humorless.

I was trying to talk about the ad but of course you as many others before you just had to veer off to the same old tired gag. Only made possible of course by the continued presence of your targets who are not only simply aware of your fumbling attempts of wit but are inclined to applaud your or so satirical devices out of common courtesy.

Of course if that courtesy is not forthcoming then woe betide us. Still nevermind, my give-a-s&*tter broke a long time ago.

I am not anti-american. Several of my cousins live in the the United States. I have never resorted to the knee-jerk anti-americanisms that some have on this forum and I too find them too predictable to be amusing.

I don't resort in winding up Americans except on this occasion. Actually because I felt you were picking on me. We are actually human too. I apologise if I have offended you. That was not my intention. I am sorry I overestimated your capacity to take a piece of banter.

Now lets close this before it escalates into a feud.

Peace Friend

 

[KenHigg]

That was the most civil post I've read around here in while - kudos Rabbie

 

[Pauldohert]

If you discount the fact that Mexican illegal immigration is a hot current topic. Unlike the Falklands or Agincourt. That's the point. The ad is not simply referring to the colonisation of Texas, it is tapping into a current political topic. Made all the more controversial by the Iraq war.

It is simply a lack of outsider understanding to conclude that this ad simply refers to historic colonisation. It is a deliberate attempt by the ad man to tap into current sentiment. A current issue which people hold views on.

I'm sure argentina currently holds the same ambitions over the Falklands as it did. If the ad ran in Argentina with a map showing the falklands as argie. The Sun would be outraged ur are correct. Anyone else would think it a joke.

Is Mexico likely to reclaim its lands/invade?

 

[KenHigg]

If the had all of that land it'd still be third world country and they'd still be trying to sneak into the US. -

 

[Pauldohert]

I can't quite remember where it ranks, but its one of the worlds big economies isn't it? Supposedly one of it biggest department stores is called Liverpool. For similar reasons I guess to why if you want to but bedding or something in Oz you have to go to the Manchester department.

I thought it QI anyhow.

 

[Alc]

I'm sure argentina currently holds the same ambitions over the Falklands as it did. If the ad ran in Argentina with a map showing the falklands as argie. The Sun would be outraged ur are correct.

Or, more accurately, the Sun will feign outrage, in an attempt to drum up sales with the more right-wing readership. Remember the News of the World 'public service' front page, involving paedophiles, from a few years back?

 

[ColinEssex]

That was the most civil post I've read around here in while - kudos Rabbie

You actually read a whole post?

Praise the lord.

Col

 

[Brianwarnock]

I know I said I wasn't coming back to this thread but looked to see if it had improved and I see it hasn't. BTW Ken I was not upset that I thought you had called me a twit, I couldn't give a damn what anybody called me, but I just got fed up that people don't consider posts as a whole.

I'm not going to pick over the comments made just to say that I think that the response to the ad should have been to pour a glass of your favourite tipple and say “ It’s a damn good job we took those lands as without them we would probably not have become such a strong power for good in the world, strong enough to stop Japanese Imperialistic aggression, help defeat Nazism, and halt the spread of Communism, and lets face it the record of the Hispanic countries does not inspire, so up yours and here’s to us.”.

Not throw your toys out of the pram.

Brian

 

[Rabbie]

I know I said I wasn't coming back to this thread but looked to see if it had improved and I see it hasn't. BTW Ken I was not upset that I thought you had called me a twit, I couldn't give a damn what anybody called me, but I just got fed up that people don't consider posts as a whole.

I'm not going to pick over the comments made just to say that I think that the response to the ad should have been to pour a glass of your favourite tipple and say “ It’s a damn good job we took those lands as without them we would probably not have become such a strong power for good in the world, strong enough to stop Japanese Imperialistic aggression, help defeat Nazism, and halt the spread of Communism, and lets face it the record of the Hispanic countries does not inspire, so up yours and here’s to us.”.

Not throw your toys out of the pram.

Brian

Welcome back Brian. A nice mature reply.

 

[Deleted member 30250]

What an excellent illustration this post is of the fact that, as from time immemorial, all the citizens of any country are liable to be tarred with the same brush. The United (by force) Kingdom of Great (says who?) Britain and Northern (according to a much-disputed boundary) Ireland has a record of brutality, forced colonisation, suppression, vandalism of ancient civilisations, slavery, abuse of human rights, warmongering and general inhumanity - and charity, health-promotion, peace-keeping, scientific endeavour, education and reform. I am not personally responsible for more than a miniscule portion of any of it.

Given enough time, the existing boundaries of a country come to be regarded as 'right', their infringement 'wrong'. Who controlled that large portion of the south and west of what is now the USA, before Mexico? What's the history of Sweden's boundaries? Look at a picture of Earth taken from space and you'll see no political boundaries, they are the product of the development of communities, the quest for resources and power. Sometimes the motives are simply survival, sometimes they are despotic. That all this started from a Vodka advert just illustrates that human beings are still deeply concerned and sensitive about boundaries, ownership and their sense of belonging to a heirarchy of family, community, region and nation, and that this concern will continue to be exploited for good or ill for major or minor purposes.

 

[Rabbie]

What an excellent illustration this post is of the fact that, as from time immemorial, all the citizens of any country are liable to be tarred with the same brush. The United (by force) Kingdom of Great (says who?) Britain and Northern (according to a much-disputed boundary) Ireland has a record of brutality, forced colonisation, suppression, vandalism of ancient civilisations, slavery, abuse of human rights, warmongering and general inhumanity - and charity, health-promotion, peace-keeping, scientific endeavour, education and reform. I am not personally responsible for more than a miniscule portion of any of it.

Just a little pedantry on why UK is so called.

The Kingdom became united when James VI of Scotland succeeded Elizabeth as King of England thus bcoming James I of England. The parlaments were merged in 1707 not by military force but as a result of the Scottish parlament being bribed to vote for the merger.

As for the word Great in Great Britain - this is a liteal translation from the the french Grane Bretagne used to destinguish the large island to the north of the English Channel( or Manche if you ar french speaking) from Bretagne the French region known in English as Brittany.

Up until 1920 or so it was known as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. But after the creation of the Irish Free State which Ulster(Northern Ireland) refused to join as the majority there did not want to be part of a Catholic state. This of course led to 80+ years of conflict as this partition did not really please the extremists on either side of the Irish split. Happily this now seems to be being resolved.

End of Pedantry

 

[pono1]

Scarily sensible posts. A tempest in a tortilla oven, the reaction to this ad... Switching gears slightly: I believe Canada has designs on capturing and annexing Ketchikan, Alaska...