Another mass shooting

[jpl458]

They are also designed to punch holes in a home invaders nerves and their resolve to enter a property.

That is coverd in the last of three categories. How many gun deaths do you have in a year in England, around 25 or so as I've read. In the US that number, in 2021, was near 46,000 which includes murderes and suicides. The USA lost 50,000 troops in Viet Nam. We approach that every year.

 

[Jon]

That is coverd in the last of three categories. How many gun deaths do you have in a year in England, around 25 or so as I've read. In the US that number, in 2021, was near 46,000 which includes murderes and suicides. The USA lost 50,000 troops in Viet Nam. We approach that every year.

It is not. I think you got lost on the nuance.

We rarely use guns. Our weapon of choice in the UK is knives. And maybe pills for suicides.

When comparing the US, you also have to factor in a population that is nearly 5x larger.

Another thing to consider is that out of those 46,000, there might be a significant number which were self defence.

 

[Jon]

Just a quick follow up...what you fail to mention is that the majority of gun deaths from that 2021 data is suicide.

Suicides accounted for more than half of U.S. gun deaths in 2021

www.pewresearch.org

 

[moke123]

Just read a search warrant return. Guess what was found.

"smoke grenades, body armor, zip ties, four guns including a fully automatic AR-15."

 

[AccessBlaster]

If Democrats would stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%

 

[Jon]

If Democrats would stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%

Is there data to support this?

Edit: High crime areas = inner city = Democrat votors. I get it. now.

 

[moke123]

Gun Violence Archive

www.gunviolencearchive.org

 

[moke123]

Edit: High crime areas = inner city = Democrat votors. I get it. now.

Gun Deaths More Likely in Small Towns Than Major Cities

Contrary to popular belief, firearm deaths in the U.S. are statistically more likely in small towns, not major cities, according to new research.

www.publichealth.columbia.edu

Gun Violence Rates In Rural Areas Match or Outpace Cities

As gun violence continues to fuel violent crime, some conservative politicians are not only refusing to support violence prevention measures but are also rolling back gun laws. Many of these same officials express the narrative that gun violence is only a problem in urban, Democrat-led cities...

www.ncja.org

 

[jpl458]

It is not. I think you got lost on the nuance.

We rarely use guns. Our weapon of choice in the UK is knives. And maybe pills for suicides.

When comparing the US, you also have to factor in a population that is nearly 5x larger.

Another thing to consider is that out of those 46,000, there might be a significant number which were self defence.

When I was a boy, living in a rural environment, we had guns that were considered tools, like a shovel. We used them for hunting and pest control (snakes). But the vast increase in gun ownership over the past few decades, I lay at the feet of the NRA which created alarmist ideas that you needed a gun to be safe, I have spent a lot of time in England ( where drinking is the most civilized in the world, and can be considered an art form) and always felt safe there. Nothing here can compete wth an English Pub.

 

[Jon]

Nice chart. I notice there are a lot more deaths after Biden took office. Also lots more suicides. Anyone care to speculate why?

You can't really take the 2020 figure into consideration because there was a global lockdown and very unusual circumstances.

 

[Jon]

When I was a boy, living in a rural environment, we had guns that were considered tools, like a shovel. We used them for hunting and pest control (snakes). But the vast increase in gun ownership over the past few decades, I lay at the feet of the NRA which created alarmist ideas that you needed a gun to be safe, I have spent a lot of time in England ( where drinking is the most civilized in the world, and can be considered an art form) and always felt safe there. Nothing here can compete wth an English Pub.

I think the problem is that when most of the US is armed, you also need to be armed. We get the same problem with inner city kids over in the UK. Some don't want to go out if they aren't tooled up with knives, because otherwise they are bringing a fist to a knife fight.

 

[Jon]

Gun Deaths More Likely in Small Towns Than Major Cities

Contrary to popular belief, firearm deaths in the U.S. are statistically more likely in small towns, not major cities, according to new research.

www.publichealth.columbia.edu

Gun Violence Rates In Rural Areas Match or Outpace Cities

As gun violence continues to fuel violent crime, some conservative politicians are not only refusing to support violence prevention measures but are also rolling back gun laws. Many of these same officials express the narrative that gun violence is only a problem in urban, Democrat-led cities...

www.ncja.org

I do believe @AccessBlaster was referring to shooting "other" people, rather than themselves. But, interesting statistics nevertheless.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

if a species really is that much of a problem there are far more efficient ways of dealing with any of them than hunting them with a rifle.

So you would think - but in terms of specificity, nothing is more specific than a rifle with a scope. Poisons don't limit themselves to their targets unless you go to the expense of bio-engineering a species-specific pathogen. Traps catch anything that wanders into the trap. Introducing some kind of predator assumes that the predators are prey-specific. So please advise of ways to selectively trim a population of nuisance animals living in the wild that doesn't have potential for excessively broad effect on other species.

My understanding was that it was trivial to modify (say an AR-15) so that it does become fully automatic, as there is a "Military Spec" version.

Yes, but to own an unlicensed fully automatic weapon is illegal without a proper license. Persons who cross that line are taking a risk of becoming a felon and losing ALL rights to own a gun. We DO have laws on that subject, despite apparently popular, if incorrect, overseas beliefs.

 

[Jon]

One other thing about the study linked to suggesting higher death rates from guns in small towns. It can be misleading for a number of reasons.

1. It depends on how many classifications you have for rural and urban. For example, if you had 10 different types of rural areas, depending on size with one of those towns only having 5 people in it, then 1 suicide gives it a 20% death rate, something you can't get in an urban area because there are more people and so you have to take an average. One anomaly in an urban area won't distort the data much. I'm struggling to explain this part clearly, but if you toss a coin 5 times you might get 5 heads in a row. But if you toss a coin 10,000 times, you are likely to get roughly 5,000 heads, 5,000 tails. The smaller the number of coin tosses, the larger the variations in that sample, and that applies to towns with smaller numbers of people.

2. There are way more small towns than large cities, further increasing the probability that a small town has the higher suicide rate. This is not possible to meaningfully compare to an urban area with millions of people, since there are far fewer of these areas. You might get say 5,000 small towns and only 50 urban areas. This skews the likelihood of which area might have the highest suicide rate. This type of analysis can be used to push a certain political narrative, or bias. But if you understand the stats behind it, you can tease out the misleading conclusions.

3. The ratio of gun users to non-gun users will influence the figures. If there are more guns in small towns, they are more likely to use this tool to kill themselves, I would imagine, instead of another tool like a knife or pills.

Points #1 and #2 are the main ones though.

 

[AccessBlaster]

I do believe @AccessBlaster was referring to shooting "other" people, rather than themselves.

 

[moke123]

Gun Violence Map: How Many People Have Been Shot Near You?

Explore data on more than 434,000 shootings in the United States.

www.thetrace.org

 

[Isaac]

Shooting at Super Bpwl parade. Lets not do anything about it. We lost 50,000 soldiers in Viet Nam. We are loosing 40,000 civilians a year because there is no gun control. Stupid. If you have gun, any gun, you should have a license, and there should be background checks. Or, lets arm everyone and see how that works out.

Did you know most crime is committed by a tiny group of repeat offenders? Give Access Blaster's suggestion a second look, jpl.
Simply locking up bad people will eliminate most crime.
I could agree with background checks for all, as long as people are still allowed to carry a sidearm given that they are good (law abiding record) people. And certain types of 'records' should be given a hard look - those types that are just too easy to slap people with when people are in a dispute. Domestic violence chief among them, which is both A) Extremely easy to claim, B) Almost impossible to defend against, C) frequently co-occurs with bitter relationship separations and is an 'add-on' without cause, D) Almost always has to be plead out

Unfortunately, several of the recent shooters - including at Nashville and joel osteen's church, have been people with gender identity confusion disorder, which seems to cooccur with large levels of resentment, similar to spurned young white men who have some kind of sexual resentment.

 

[Thales750]

Nice chart. I notice there are a lot more deaths after Biden took office. Also lots more suicides. Anyone care to speculate why?

You can't really take the 2020 figure into consideration because there was a global lockdown and very unusual circumstances.

That should be obvious. All the conservative depression. Lol

 

[moke123]

That should be obvious. All the conservative depression. Lol

probably due to this

Hey media, stop bullying women who refuse to marry Republicans

Now the Washington Post has joined a campaign to shame women for having the bare minimum "no Trump voters" standard

www.salon.com

 

[AccessBlaster]

I noticed this story faded fast once the perps were identified. On to the next nothing burger