Are you an atheist?

[Galaxiom]

It seems there is a whole lot of kill-them verses in the Koran. Here are just a few: Now, I know there is more to the verse sometimes but it stills you to kill.Kill, KILL

Aziz will claim that you are quoting from anti-Islam hate site and the words have been twisted.

He will then twist the words to mean what he would like them to say.

 

[Frothingslosh]

Aziz will claim that you are quoting from anti-Islam hate site and the words have been twisted.

He will then twist the words to mean what he would like them to say.

To be fair, Bladerunner does the same. Personally, I think they deserve each other.

 

[Galaxiom]

Blade doesn't bother to twist the words. He just quotes without regard to whether they support his case or not.

 

[Vassago]

There seems to be a huge misconception between someone who is religious and someone who is an extremist. Extremists take something like a book at face value and strongly believe everything they see and read in it. That's where we get the nutjobs at Westboro or ISIL extremists. On the other hand, there are plenty of religious people who have modernized. They understand the book is not a complete set of rules that fit into the world today. Hell, even the Christian Bible has been modified throughout the years to fit into the social expectations of the time. Modern muslims are not different. They understand the world is different. How many have you met? I have Muslim friends. They are just as much an enemy and at risk of being killed by the extremists as Christians and atheists. Believe it.

Seriously! You can quote verses all you want, but do you believe that all Christians or Jews are virgins when they get married, would stone to death their wife if she wasn't a virgin at marriage? The Bible certainly says that as a hard rule, but we know it's severely outdated and don't follow it. Why would you think a true moderm Muslim would be any different?

Please refrain from personal attacks in this thread. Personally using someone's name to compare them to terrorists is absolutely wrong and distasteful. I'm sure you can debate without doing so.

 

[spikepl]

The religious nutjobs cherrypick verses to suit their twisted purposes.

All that was exhibited to the full already ages ago by for example the infamous Letter to Dr. Laura. Yet, they just keep going and going ... The sheer idea of following a 2000-years old recipe for modern life is ridiculous. An interesting report of how little happens, when you try to find non-existing prescriptions for dealing with todays world could be found in Naipauls http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Among_the_Believers, which also uncovers the hypocrisy, which emerges when the tools of Satan suddenly are needed.

 

[Vassago]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/0...aineer-muslims-gather-to-demonstrate-against/

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/french-muslims-protest-extremism-25774577

 

[Frothingslosh]

The problem here is that both Bladerunner and Aziz have each stated, plainly and for the record, that their given holy book is literally the Word of God, perfect, infallible, and in all ways 100% accurate, not to be deviated from. (That is, in fact, where Aziz got his 'all people are born Muslim' rubbish.)

A good question for both would be if they agree with the terrible punishments listed for petty things in each book - Blade with execution by stoning for sex before marriage, talking back to your parents, or wearing cotton/polyester blends, and Aziz for with beheading for sex before marriage, drinking alcohol, or wiping with the right hand.

Alas, Blade has me on ignore and Aziz won't bother to read my posts, so someone else will need to ask them.

 

[Galaxiom]

Extremists take something like a book at face value and strongly believe everything they see and read in it. That's where we get the nutjobs at Westboro or ISIL extremists.

The so called extremists are simply following what is written in the book. The cherry picking is done by the so called moderates who choose to ignore the parts that don't suit them.

However, by continuing to exalt the book, they give legitimacy to everything in it and those who choose to follow it thoroughly.

Blood spilled by the extremists is on the hand of the moderates too.

Only by renouncing these "holy" books for what they are can we move forward to a world where the ramblings of ignorant arrogant misogynist are not upheld as something to be respected.

 

[Vassago]

The so called extremists are simply following what is written in the book. The cherry picking is done by the so called moderates who choose to ignore the parts that don't suit them.

However, by continuing to exalt the book, they give legitimacy to everything in it and those who choose to follow it thoroughly.

Blood spilled by the extremists is on the hand of the moderates too.

Only by renouncing these "holy" books for what they are can we move forward to a world where the ramblings of ignorant arrogant misogynist are not upheld as something to be respected.

I agree when it comes to religion in general. Most of the "holy" books out there are full of hate, bigotry, violence, slavery, and hellfire. I don't really care for any of them. My point had more to do with the fact that people make assumptions that one person in one of these "non-violent" religions is any different than someone in a "violent" religion just because of the label that religion gives them. All people of all religions have the capacity to take their "holy" books too literally and go on a rampage.

Don't even get me started on the FLDS or any of those groups.

 

[Bladerunner]

To Aziz:

I would like to personally apologize for the statement below. I was not referring to you personally when I made this statement. I believe you are one of the 3 billion Muslims that believe the Quran (Koran) is a peaceful religion. To this extent, I believe you would not hurt anyone intentionally even if the 'anyones' are non-believers.

Quote:Bladerunner: "Unlike Aziz, nobody who is a Christian is going to come and take your life because you do not believe.No one is going to force you to submit".
Quote Aziz:: "Can you point to the post where I said I would take someone’s life because they do not believe or do not submit? That is a manifest lie and I will be writing to the administrators regarding this severe and unsubstanted accusation."

 

[Bladerunner]

Blade could you please learn to use quotes so that we know who you are quoting , which are quotes and which are your own words, or is it all a ploy to stifle debate.

brian

Brian, Please simply post a reply showing me how I am suppose to use the quotes like you need them to be.

 

[ColinEssex]

Most religions are or have been the basis for wars, killing, murder, ethnic cleansing and other obscene atrocities.

I think associating with one (any one) is just as bad as joining the KKK or Nazi's.

I don't see how one can be affiliated with a religion knowing ones colleagues are killing and murdering on behalf of the same god one believes in.

It's no better than saying - i joined a cult, yes they ra** and kill but I don't, so it must be ok for me to be a member.

Why can't people see that?

Col

 

[Galaxiom]

It's no better than saying - i joined a cult, yes they ra** and kill but I don't, so it must be ok for me to be a member.

Why can't people see that?

When the book or books are the centrepiece of the cult, are acknowledged as the guide for all and justify ra**, murder and genocide then yes indeed we must ask this question.

All the books of the Abrahamic religions include incredibly primitive notions of morality and justice involving bigotry, violence and misogyny to name a few. It is not surprising that modern sophisticated people avoid discussions of these aspects of their faith.

However the fact remains that the faithful exalt these books.

Some argue that we should respect this choice because of the high esteem the belief is held in by the believer. If such reverence for belief ascribes them worthy of unconditional respect, are we to respect the beliefs of the proponents of Nazism for their passions?

No. Abrahamic religions are essentially fascism and we should seek to undermine them at every opportunity.

Fortunately the most fervent of the believers on this thread a doing more to destroy the fan base of their faith than any atheist could ever hope to achieve.

 

[Alc]

Brian, Please simply post a reply showing me how I am suppose to use the quotes like you need them to be.

Write

to start whatever you want to quote.
Write the same but with a '/' between the '[' and the letter Q to end the quote

 

[Brianwarnock]

Write

to start whatever you want to quote.
Write the same but with a '/' between the '[' and the letter Q to end the quote

And above the quote say where it is from.

Brian

 

[scott-atkinson]

Write

And above the quote say where it is from.

Brian

OK, now you are just going to confuse him...

 

[Rabbie]

Has anyone noticed that religions seem to be about behaviour and belief. When they are founded it is all about behaviour but later it is all about belief

 

[spikepl]

You reckon? To me it seems about power and dominance, territorial pissing. Just like any other kind of animal, really.

 

[Bladerunner]

It was not long ago, I put forth a scenario in which the Christian church is stripped of its present tax status in the USA. Well, California legislators have either put forth some legislation or have passed the legislation (I do not know which at this time) that requires the Christian Churches to marry gays OR ELSE. I have heard that for the ministers that refuse to marry the gays in their church, will land in jail. So much for civility of the liberal left. Rem. this, it was predicted that the Christian Churches and people would be persecuted during the 'last days'.

At one time I spoke of the 'end of days' and was severely admonished for saying something that was not true. This time I use the 'last days' (don't really see the difference) and offer proof that it actually exist. Remember also that this prediction was made a few thousands of years ago.


"But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people." 2 Timothy 3:1-5


Summary:

You atheist should be very proud of them in their effort to bring forth a GODLESS world. Appears to be working!

 

[Galaxiom]

Sounds like you are talking about (and exaggerating) the Youth Equality Act

Organisations should not be allowed to avoid tax to push their agenda of bigotry.