Can you answer these 4 questions

[Joe8915]

OK guys I think this is got out of hand. I didn't mean to get everyone in a tight rope. i guess I should have never brought it up. I Apologize. I will delete this tread, tomorrow I want to make sure everyone that chime in sees my apology. Sorry I offended anyone

 

[ChrisO]

Joe, please do not delete this thread.

By deleting this thread you will also be deleting the opinions of others and the opinions of others are not yours to simply delete.

Learn by your mistakes and try to verify the information you supply before posting.

If you have made a mistake then simply say so and leave it at that.

Chris.

 

[Vassago]

Throwing a tantrum and deleting a thread just because you are presented evidence that your post is invalid is childish. You're not the only one participating in this discussion at this point.

How do I know we aren't looking at different birth certificates? I don't. But looking at the one they provided on request doesn't show anything with the phrase "African American." What about the one you are looking at? Can you answer that? Where did it come from?

Sealed records? That's a load of garbage. What records? Driving records? Juvenile records? That's a pretty broad blanket statement touted by Trump, but no proof was ever released.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

 

[ChrisO]

This thread was deleted by Joe8915 after specifically being asked not to do so by a moderator and an administrator.

I have undeleted this thread in order to preserve the replies of the other members who have contributed to it.

I will suggest that Joe8915 does not delete it again.

Chris.

 

[Galaxiom]

YOU DECIDE...DO YOU REALLY TRUST THIS PERSON???? I FOR ONE BELIEVE THAT HE IS A SNAKE IN THE GRASS!!--HISTORY WILL TELL!

No doubt you prefer to trust Republican Presidents.

History already tells us:

Nixon wanted to use nuclear weapons in Vietnam. (One can only guess what would have happened in the Cuban Missile Crisis if Kennedy hadn't beaten him in the election.)

Reagan had serious dementia.

GW Bush started a war in Iraq that spent unimaginable sums of money and left Iraq in a worse condition than before. He did this on the advice of people who owned military supply corporations ignoring the advice of weapons inspectors who correctly stated there were no WMDs in Iraq.

Republican Presidents have promoted wars that cost the world dearly to line the pockets of the rich.

 

[Joe8915]

First, I would like to say I thought this was deleted. I never had to delete a thread before, but when I came back today it was here.

Second, I didn't mean to offend anyone. I simply posted the 3 questions. Now I know a lot of you thought I was a troll, but I sure didn't want to come out that way. I deleted the tread because I have a lot of respect for this forum and I didn't want to come off as a jerk. I have received a few emails saying they were more upset that I deleted the tread because I deleted other people views. I guess I am damn if do and damn if I don't.

Third, people ask did I research what I posted. I can say I did but what I got was other point of views. For example the birth certificate. Ok, how do you know if that is the original? Sure looks original, but I can't say that I am 100%, so there for I took the other avenue and say it was fake. You might say its not, but that is your take on the birth certificate. I am not saying you are wrong or right, you have your opinion and I have mine.
Fourth and final just because I don't like the guy, don't judge me for that. My God this is America, can't a person say what he believes in anymore. Here is another issue, what I think is going on now. I have never ever seen America so split as it is now. If you disagree with the guy your a racist. Such a shame. I guess its my age that is creeping up on me.

So I guess that is all I have to say on this subject for now.

Peace to all and God Bless America............

 

[Joe8915]

This thread was deleted by Joe8915 after specifically being asked not to do so by a moderator and an administrator.

I have undeleted this thread in order to preserve the replies of the other members who have contributed to it.

I will suggest that Joe8915 does not delete it again.

Chris.

Chris, I will stand by any rules that this forum has. I have to much respect for this site.

 

[Vassago]

Second, I didn't mean to offend anyone. I simply posted the 3 questions. Now I know a lot of you thought I was a troll, but I sure didn't want to come out that way. I deleted the tread because I have a lot of respect for this forum and I didn't want to come off as a jerk. I have received a few emails saying they were more upset that I deleted the tread because I deleted other people views. I guess I am damn if do and damn if I don't.

I don't think you offended anyone. If anyone seems offended, it's you, and only because people responded to your post seeking additional comment, which you have yet to respond to. Did you find the words "African American" on your copy of the birth certificate you claim is fake? I know they don't appear on the released one. Your first post claims it's there, so I was curious.

Third, people ask did I research what I posted. I can say I did but what I got was other point of views. For example the birth certificate. Ok, how do you know if that is the original? Sure looks original, but I can't say that I am 100%, so there for I took the other avenue and say it was fake. You might say its not, but that is your take on the birth certificate. I am not saying you are wrong or right, you have your opinion and I have mine.
Fourth and final just because I don't like the guy, don't judge me for that. My God this is America, can't a person say what he believes in anymore. Here is another issue, what I think is going on now. I have never ever seen America so split as it is now. If you disagree with the guy your a racist. Such a shame. I guess its my age that is creeping up on me.

Why wouldn't you do research??? I know I want to know what I'm posting is true before I post it. I think the truth is you deleted this thread because you realize now that the claims in it are false and you feel embarrassed. Don't worry, you're not the only one who has forwarded it blindly, obviously. Learn from this misdeed and research what you see before you share it in the future. Not only will this save you from the embarrrassment of being called out for it, but it'll save you from believing something just because it's on the internet. It also can save someone innocent from being hurt if they are a target of the false forward, such as a fake Amber Alert that went out a few years ago. There never was a missing child, but the license plate information was real and the owner recieved a lot of unwanted attention and threats. People are just naive.

It only takes a couple minutes to do a proper search.

I mentioned I'm not a fan of Obama either. I'm also not a fan of Romney or the airhead in Alaska, Palin. I hate the two party system and unless a candidate in one of the parties actually isn't a party sheep and has their own individual beliefs that line up with mine, I will not vote for them.

Nobody here claimed you were racist! In fact, the only people I ever hear using that word are the ones who don't like Obama accusing everyone else of calling them racist because of it.

America isn't split. In fact, most people fall right in the middle. It's the politicians that are split. I say we dump them all, set up laws on term limits, and cut their pay. Political positions should not be a career. You are supposed to represent your people, not your party.

 

[Minkey]

You didn't offend me either or came off as a jerk, I also have respect for this forum and that is why I respond to threads like this here but no where else as generally it can spark a good discussion.

You asked these questions but I'm afraid there no real answer to them as the majority of evidence shows them to have little or no factual aspect to them even using the same sources as you have used. I certainly wasn't responding to make you look bad.

EDIT: and that tends to be a problem with any of these erm theories?? probably not the right word, myths maybe or general internet BS.

Sure looks original, but I can't say that I am 100%, so there for I took the other avenue and say it was fake.

Sure looks fake but I can't say that I am 100% so there for I took the other avenue and say it was real

 

[GSSDevelopment]

Third, people ask did I research what I posted. I can say I did but what I got was other point of views.

Confirmation bias is a pain in the butt, isn't it?

Republican Presidents have promoted wars that cost the world dearly to line the pockets of the rich.

Democrats were the first party to use a nuclear device.Democrat administration was responsible for the internment of thousands of Japanese Americans. Democrats also were heavily involved with Ku Kluk klan.

Watching Lincoln, actually, opened my eyes and led me to do a bit of research into how party priorities have shifted over the years. Blatant party blame-gaming is counterproductive and only facilitates the "Us vs. Them" mentality, which has perpetuated through Congress to the point that agreement can very rarely be reached between the two.


Personally, I'd put my trust in someone that is willing to admit that taxes are too low and military spending is too high, and act on it. The military pissing contest grows old after we get about $5,000,000,000,000 in the negative. As a responsible citizen, I make sure I have enough money coming into my bank account before I spend it.

 

[spikepl]

Dunning-Kruger rules most of this type of discussions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

 

[Bladerunner]

The implication of the post is that if Obama was born outside of the US then is he is fundamentally someone not to be trusted. Isn't that a bit harsh? He is a man of US culture and upbringing who believes himself to be born in the USA. Even if he is wrong about that, or lying to avoid a glass ceiling in politics, I don't think it casts any new light on his abilities as a leader.

NO Old Man Devin: It just shows how far the left liberals are willing to go to get their way. advance their adgenda and sidestep the laws of a nation. Obama is a LIAR of the biggest sort. Since once a liar always a liar is a good rule of thumb, he cannot be trusted.

Have a nice day:>)

Bladerunner

 

[Vassago]

is a LIAR of the biggest sort. Since once a liar always a liar is a good rule of thumb, he cannot be trusted.

Have a nice day:>)

Bladerunner

Every politician in the blue or red?

 

[Bladerunner]

Confirmation bias is a pain in the butt, isn't it?


Watching Lincoln, actually, opened my eyes and led me to do a bit of research into how party priorities have shifted over the years. Blatant party blame-gaming is counterproductive and only facilitates the "Us vs. Them" mentality, which has perpetuated through Congress to the point that agreement can very rarely be reached between the two.


Personally, I'd put my trust in someone that is willing to admit that taxes are too low and military spending is too high, and act on it. The military pissing contest grows old after we get about $5,000,000,000,000 in the negative. As a responsible citizen, I make sure I have enough money coming into my bank account before I spend it.

Taxes are too low for whom?

Have a nice day :>)
Bladerunner

 

[Bladerunner]

Every politician in the blue or red?

Not really sure what that means..Sorry?

As far as lying, Obama and Clinton are the only two Pres. that have blatantly lied directly to the people.Yes, all politicians are liars, "if their lips are moving they are lying".

have a nice day:>)
Bladerunner

 

[Old Man Devin]

NO Old Man Devin: It just shows how far the left liberals are willing to go to get their way. advance their adgenda and sidestep the laws of a nation. Obama is a LIAR of the biggest sort. Since once a liar always a liar is a good rule of thumb, he cannot be trusted.

Does it show that, even if true? To be fair, it's not very far to go to recast Obama from 'US citizen with possibly foreign nationality' to 'US citizen with foreign heritage'. Not exactly the biggest cover up of all time. And another Democrat could have been chosen to run on the same policies, so it can't be just for the sake of their 'agenda'.

Even if the conspiracy existed, we don't know that it was Obama's idea (maybe the party forced him into it because he was their best character?). And the idea that because someone once lied, all further statements they make are lies is obviously not true, so I don't know what you mean by that last point. Shouldn't you base your level of trust in him on his ACTUAL actions as President, rather than supposed actions from the past which ultimately have little effect on the types of decisions he faces today?

I am not from the USA, but as far as I can tell, Obama has not done much to lose the trust of the people, or at least no more than is usual for someone in a position where opposition parties can make it impossible for a leader to delivery their promises, in order to undermine them. If anything, I would judge the the situation over there has improved during his administrations.

 

[Fifty2One]

Nothing wrong with the questions so I dont know why someone would post the troll comment. With politicians it is hard to separate what they see as truth from what the world perceives as true.
Fortunately we all live in countries where we can reasonably question authority without having to fear for our lives or the lives of our family. On the same note the politicians also have the freedom to present their reasonable version of reality without having to fear for their lives or the lives of their family.

First, I would like to say I thought this was deleted. I never had to delete a thread before, but when I came back today it was here.

Second, I didn't mean to offend anyone. I simply posted the 3 questions. Now I know a lot of you thought I was a troll, but I sure didn't want to come out that way. I deleted the tread because I have a lot of respect for this forum and I didn't want to come off as a jerk. I have received a few emails saying they were more upset that I deleted the tread because I deleted other people views. I guess I am damn if do and damn if I don't.

Third, people ask did I research what I posted. I can say I did but what I got was other point of views. For example the birth certificate. Ok, how do you know if that is the original? Sure looks original, but I can't say that I am 100%, so there for I took the other avenue and say it was fake. You might say its not, but that is your take on the birth certificate. I am not saying you are wrong or right, you have your opinion and I have mine.
Fourth and final just because I don't like the guy, don't judge me for that. My God this is America, can't a person say what he believes in anymore. Here is another issue, what I think is going on now. I have never ever seen America so split as it is now. If you disagree with the guy your a racist. Such a shame. I guess its my age that is creeping up on me.

So I guess that is all I have to say on this subject for now.

Peace to all and God Bless America............

 

[Bladerunner]

Does it show that, even if true? To be fair, it's not very far to go to recast Obama from 'US citizen with possibly foreign nationality' to 'US citizen with foreign heritage'. Not exactly the biggest cover up of all time. And another Democrat could have been chosen to run on the same policies, so it can't be just for the sake of their 'agenda'.

Even if the conspiracy existed, we don't know that it was Obama's idea (maybe the party forced him into it because he was their best character?). And the idea that because someone once lied, all further statements they make are lies is obviously not true, so I don't know what you mean by that last point. Shouldn't you base your level of trust in him on his ACTUAL actions as President, rather than supposed actions from the past which ultimately have little effect on the types of decisions he faces today?

I am not from the USA, but as far as I can tell, Obama has not done much to lose the trust of the people, or at least no more than is usual for someone in a position where opposition parties can make it impossible for a leader to delivery their promises, in order to undermine them. If anything, I would judge the the situation over there has improved during his administrations.

Hey Old Man Devin: Sorry---I was talking about the lying he did about ObamaCare (you can keep your DR., etc.) knowing all the time it was a lie. I am not a 'Birther', thats water under the bridge. Obama is shrewd. He was a constitutional lawyer. he is so far left it is not funny.

Have a nice day:>)
Bladerunner

 

[Bladerunner]

Exactly. How can you take sides when they are all the same? Lesser of two evils lol.

It is not a matter that they are both the same. they are not (another post) but right now Obama and the democrats are moving the country toward socialism by hook or crook. They don't care about the immigrants, they want their vote and are willing to buy it. They don't care about the poor, they want their vote willing to remove jobs from the economy and then give them subsidies for their vote.. They have spent 40% more in 6 years than all the other presidents put together. The debt has gone from 10 Trillion to 17 and will be 20 billion by 2016. The biggest problem is the democrats want the republicans to be gone. Obama is trying his best to destroy them. While that might be a good idea to some, a one party system is akin to the old Soviet Union or China. I hope the independents (like me) come to their senses and give the congress / senate back to the senate. Other wise, I fear the US as we know it is over.

Have a nice day:>)
Bladerunner

 

[Libre]

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Other wise, I fear the US as we know it is over.

Have a nice day:>)
Bladerunner

The US as we know it never existed.