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[ColinEssex]

Col, you're no more qualified to spit your sh*t about the US out either, yet you seem to rather enjoy repeating the same idiotic ranting every chance you get. Maybe you should follow your own advice for once.

Hmmm, truth hurts they always say.

You don't have to read my posts - it's a free country isn't it? (except when it upsets an American)

Col

 

[oumahexi]

She's dead weight, get rid of her.

She's the reason so many Americans visit the UK every year - you guys love our royalty! I'm not a royalist, personally I'm glad the migrated from Scotland down south, but I can see the revenue they generate every year and I think that has to be well worth keeping a hold of for the English economy. Let them have their queen, just give us back our oil and gas

 

[ColinEssex]

She's the reason so many Americans visit the UK every year - you guys love our royalty! I'm not a royalist, personally I'm glad the migrated from Scotland down south, but I can see the revenue they generate every year and I think that has to be well worth keeping a hold of for the English economy. Let them have their queen, just give us back our oil and gas

The oil and gas belongs to the UK - not Scotland. Scotland has sheep and heather.

Col

 

[Rabbie]

The oil and gas belongs to the UK - not Scotland. Scotland has sheep and heather.

Col

So that's why the UK government specifically legislated to put the North Sea Oil fields under the jurisdiction of the Scottish Courts and not the English Courts. Do try to check the facts before you post

 

[SQL_Hell]

The oil and gas belongs to the UK - not Scotland. Scotland has sheep and heather.

Col

Ah yes sheep and heather! the well known genetic combination that creates a powerful biofuel....

 

[KenHigg]

She's the reason so many Americans visit the UK every year - you guys love our royalty! I'm not a royalist, personally I'm glad the migrated from Scotland down south, but I can see the revenue they generate every year and I think that has to be well worth keeping a hold of for the English economy. Let them have their queen, just give us back our oil and gas

Isn't she also kind of an advisor on affairs domestic and international with a certain amount of clout in the political world?

 

[Rabbie]

Isn't she also kind of an advisor on affairs domestic and international with a certain amount of clout in the political world?

She certainly can offer advice to her Prime Ministers and make sure that they have done their homework but she is not able to initiate any political issues. It is important for her standing in the country that she is seen as being above party politics. any deviating from that would seriously strengthen the hand of republicanism in the UK

 

[KenHigg]

I would then think that given the Iraq thing has been such a catastrophic disaster in the minds of the citizens of the UK, if she had so willed she could have put all of her influence against it and kept the uk out of it. Since she apparently didn't, seems she let the citizens down and should step down.

 

[Rabbie]

I would then think that given the Iraq thing has been such a catastrophic disaster in the minds of the citizens of the UK, if she had so willed she could have put all of her influence against it and kept the uk out of it. Since she apparently didn't, seems she let the citizens down and should step down.

Your answer illustrates that you do not understand the role of Her Majesty in the UK.

She is able to warn the Prime Minister confidentially of the dangers of a particular course of action. She is not allowed to make that advice public and she is not able to stop him ignoring that advice. So in the matter of Irak she has as usual acted with complete constitutional propriety

 

[KenHigg]

Your answer illustrates that you do not understand the role of Her Majesty in the UK.

She is able to warn the Prime Minister confidentially of the dangers of a particular course of action. She is not allowed to make that advice public and she is not able to stop him ignoring that advice. So in the matter of Irak she has as usual acted with complete constitutional propriety

Seems like she gets all of the perks and none of the responsibilities. Pretty good gig. Why is she not allowed to make her advice public? And who made that rule, her?

 

[Rabbie]

Seems like she gets all of the perks and none of the responsibilities. Pretty good gig.

[/quote]It's worked pretty well for over 300 years. The Queen or King rules as head of state for the whole country regardless of political beliefs. Politics is left to the politicians who can be removed by a democratic vote at election time.

Why is she not allowed to make her advice public? And who made that rule, her?

If she made her advice public it would immediately put her in the political arena and human nature being what it is would make the advice less effective. No politician would want to be seen to be taking advice from a non-elected figure. The rule goes back 300 years at least. I don't think it's actually a written rule just common sense from our kings and queens.

 

[KenHigg]

It's worked pretty well for over 300 years. The Queen or King rules as head of state for the whole country regardless of political beliefs. Politics is left to the politicians who can be removed by a democratic vote at election time.
If she made her advice public it would immediately put her in the political arena and human nature being what it is would make the advice less effective. No politician would want to be seen to be taking advice from a non-elected figure. The rule goes back 300 years at least. I don't think it's actually a written rule just common sense from our kings and queens.

It may have worked pretty good for her family for 300 years but with gas prices at 6/gallon and people like Col having to ride to work in the cold rain on a 2 wheel scooter it appears it may not be working out very well for everybody.

If she made her advice public it seems you all would see that there's nothing 'royal' about her, she's just another old lady, and she can make mistakes like everyone else. Don't get me wrong, I like her and she seems very pleasant and is probably a good role model for being 'proper' and all of that stuff.

And the 'I don't think' seems to illustrate that maybe somebody else doesn't 'understand the role of Her Majesty in the UK'

 

[Rabbie]

And the 'I don't think' seems to illustrate that maybe somebody else doesn't 'understand the role of Her Majesty in the UK'

it's just that having an unwritten constitution very few of these rules are actually written down. If I were a constitutional lawyer it might be relevant if I did not know. It doesn't actually make any difference in practice so I think you should withdraw your snide remark.

 

[KenHigg]

Ok. Sorry Rab.

 

[Alc]

If she made her advice public it seems you all would see that there's nothing 'royal' about her, she's just another old lady,

Well...other than the fact that she's the queen, you mean? So royal by definition. I'm pretty sure that the quality of your advice has no bearing on whether whether you're royalty or not. If she said she thought everyone should eat glass, she'd still be royal.

and she can make mistakes like everyone else. Don't get me wrong, I like her and she seems very pleasant and is probably a good role model for being 'proper' and all of that stuff.

I've never met anyone who saw her - or any of the other members of her family, for that matter - as role models. No more than they view the elected officials (e.g. prime minister) as such. Do you see the president as a role model?

 

[KenHigg]

Well...other than the fact that she's the queen, you mean? So royal by definition. I'm pretty sure that the quality of your advice has no bearing on whether whether you're royalty or not. If she said she thought everyone should eat glass, she'd still be royal.

I've never met anyone who saw her - or any of the other members of her family, for that matter - as role models. No more than they view the elected officials (e.g. prime minister) as such. Do you see the president as a role model?

The whole 'these people are classified as different' or 'royals' seems to suggest to me that somebody thinks there is something 'different' about them from a physiological perspective. Something like 'their great grandfather was smart enough to rule the world so they must be smart as well'.

And yes I do see the president as a role model. In fact I wish I was as disciplined and articulate as our President-elect Mr. Obama...

 

[Alc]

The whole 'these people are classified as different' or 'royals' seems to suggest to me that somebody thinks there is something 'different' about them from a physiological perspective.

Originally, I think the belief was that people who were royal were somehow chosen by God or - the Gods - to be so. In a (relatively) primitive society, this would have been a good way to ensure loyalty to the (then) leader. As society progressed, the number of people believing in God, magic, etc. decreased and people also realised that the royal family were 'only' human, so they were seen as less and less of an ideal to look up to. Today, the gutter press has printed so many stories about their private lives that they're no better than film stars, in many respects.

And yes I do see the president as a role model. In fact I wish I was as disciplined and articulate as our President-elect Mr. Obama...

But - based on other posts - you seemed to wholeheartedly disagree with many of his beliefs. How can you see someone you don't think is right as being someone you wish to be like? Hitler, for example, was a great public speaker. I can admire that ability without seeing him as a role model in any way.

 

[KenHigg]

I guess it all depends on your definition of a role model. I admire him in general. His apparent work ethics, his intellect, etc. These are the kind of things I wish I had and I would think parents would want their children to have. That's what I consider a good role model. The fact that he wants do things I don't agree with in his professional life are kind of incidental... I may be backward on the whole thing, I don't know...

 

[Vassago]

So that's why the UK government specifically legislated to put the North Sea Oil fields under the jurisdiction of the Scottish Courts and not the English Courts. Do try to check the facts before you post

Who needs facts when we have Colin to fill us in on everything that is wrong with the world.

 

[Rabbie]

Who needs facts when we have Colin to fill us in on everything that is wrong with the world.

LOL I dont know how I managed until I saw Col's posts