Coronavirus - are we all doomed?

[AccessBlaster]

What's driving the math? COVID-19 or the media?

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Oh, jeez, Adam... and yet YOU were the one who suggested that one should post here in a lighthearted vein.

So War (with his symbolic sword) and Death (with his symbolic scythe) are calling out Pestilence (with his symbolic toilet paper.) You DON'T see the humor in that? Oh, unwise child who understands nothing, it is obvious why you have a problem in this forum.

 

[Jon]

What's driving the math? COVID-19 or the media?

The official statistics from each country. Ignore them at your peril.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Adam, without news agencies, tyrants could get away with anything. I agree that BIASED news agencies are no damned good. But if you could find a news agency that DOESN'T try to put "spin" on everything, you would be OK. And of course, since humans are involved, that no-spin component of news might be hard to find.

 

[vba_php]

And of course, since humans are involved, that no-spin component of news might be hard to find.

agreed. there MUST be spin. just like the earth's axis demands. as for me understanding nothing, your mistake is not believing is just like others' mistake that will eventually find them wondering what in the hell they are doing in the future. I just might get a knock on my door in the far off future from people who are wondering why they are going nuts. I'm not looking forward to that, if indeed it comes to pass. and my "problem" on the forum is nothing significant. I learned just today that there are folks here that finally put me on their ignore list. so good for them. if they don't wanna read, they know how to fix, and they obviously did.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

My issue, Adam, is that I, too, don't want to read your tripe. However, when you step in and demean a brand new poster by telling them that you know they won't understand something, you just insulted them. Don't you see that?

You accuse me of going over their heads - but the way you give us a bad name is to underestimate the people before you assess their abilities. For example, Elena claims knowledge of the Access GUI and claims some knowledge of tables & relationships. Her weakness is VBA. I figured that out and tailored a response for her to have an easy inroad to VBA by studying what the Access wizards do. It is cheap and easy to do that.

YOUR response to Elena was "I know you won't understand my answer and my web site isn't ready so just learn how to use Google." You arrogant ASS! HOW THE HELL do you think she found this site in the first place? Divine inspiration? Or just MAYBE ... she searched for it with Google.

In order to maintain a standard for the technical level of this forum, which I happen to like, I make it a point to correct you when you are wrong or totally off track - which occurs with distressing frequency. But when the problem is attitude, I don't have a way to wipe up your mess. It becomes visible to all and sundry. Which I actually like, because if I open myself up to PMs, nobody will see your arguments. You'll HAVE to come out in the open and not hide from your problems. If you want to call me "old man" like you did in Elena's thread, go right ahead. I know I'm not young any more. But I know that somewhere along the line, I earned respect in various ways.

Doesn't it tell you something at all that many members of the forum have blocked you? Don't you get that you have demonstrated your true colors and they have shut you out because of it?

If you think I disrespect you, perhaps it is because all relationships quickly become reflections. My treatment of you is a reflection of how you treat me. It is a practical application (in reverse) of the Golden Rule. Obviously, you want to be treated with disrespect because you have not learned to show respect. You seem to think that my old ways are bad. I learned a long time ago that "we do it this way because it has always been done this way" is the WORST excuse of all to do something in a particular way. The best excuse is, of course, that it works better in a particular way. I believe in precedent as a good but not ironclad guideline. Is THAT petrified thinking? Or merely applying old wisdom to new problems to see if they fit?

Next time you call me "old man" just remember that this old man has probably forgotten more about programming than YOU ever knew.

 

[vba_php]

YOUR response to Elena was "I know you won't understand my answer and my web site isn't ready so just learn how to use Google."

it was?? can you point me to that?? I must've said the wrong thing. sorry about that! that sounds a bit harsh. I don't believe you. prove it to me.

 

[NauticalGent]

However, when you step in and demean a brand new poster by telling them that you know they won't understand something, you just insulted them. Don't you see that?

Exactly. And of course he doesnt, if he had a CLUE as to how abrasive he was, he would simply Shut The Front Door. But then maybe he does and does it for his own amusement. Either situation is unacceptable.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

I don't believe you. prove it to me.

From post #2 (yours) in response to Elena's question:

do you need any more detail than that? I would give you the link to my website page, but it is not finished yet as a whole. if you want to learn how to google properly, send me a PM here and I'll let you in and you can look at it.

"If you want to learn how to google properly" ... In other words, she obviously doesn't know how to use Google. There... quoted.

From post #2, same thread:

why don't you guys refrain from saying GOOD LUCK to a beginner!? I've told you multiple times. are you guys not listening? that makes people feel worthless.

You accuse me of being almost like a machine for being so impersonal, then when we try to offer a more personal touch you call us down.

From post #22, same thread:

That is too much for her to understand Richard.

I gave a step-by-step method to experiment and learn about VBA, which she claims is one of her weaknesses. You obviously don't think she can handle it. You are demeaning the person IN HER FACE. Adam, you do not seem to get it. You are a negative influence here. Jon hates outright bans but one has occurred in the last month. You, at least, do not engage in blatant vulgarity.

 

[Jon]

I am concerned with the UK's policy of "survival of the fittest." While the rest of the world is in lockdown, our crazy government seems to think its best to let it spread. "Herd immunity" they call it. I called it death in the 100's of thousands.

 

[vba_php]

From post #2 (yours) in response to Elena's question:

"If you want to learn how to google properly" ... In other words, she obviously doesn't know how to use Google. There... quoted.

so essentially you lied, Richard. what you just quoted me as saying is not even close to what you originally said I said. do you see what I'm talking about now? Keep your hatred of me in check dude, otherwise your words change like I've just shown you.

While the rest of the world is in lockdown, our crazy government seems to think its best to let it spread.

the hospital in my town is not letting anyone in besides patients and staff. now that is pretty stupid!

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Adam, you are a brass-plated troll. NG gets it. Moke has blocked you because he gets it. Jon temporarily banned you because HE gets it. Colin (isladogs) has called you down because he gets it. Your comment implies that the OP was too dumb to know how to use Google. And I showed you and you denied it. Go back under your bridge.

 

[NauticalGent]

At a loss. I am going to do something I have never done in this forum and block someone. He just called the ONLY person willing to talk to him a liar.

I used to think I would never encounter a more exhausting human being than my ex-wife. Goes to show if you live long enough...

Good riddance

 

[moke123]

I am concerned with the UK's policy of "survival of the fittest." While the rest of the world is in lockdown, our crazy government seems to think its best to let it spread. "Herd immunity" they call it. I called it death in the 100's of thousands.

I saw a report on that and couldn't believe it.

We have about a dozen confirmed cases and 50 + in quarantine. Bear in mind the population of our county will fit in the largest college stadium. They are all community spread cases.

Our schools are closed for at least 2 weeks.
Many businesses are closed or working remotely.
My agency is working remotely where possible.
All court cases have been continued until at least the end of april.
The jails and prisons are closed to most visitors and any court matters are being handled via teleconference.
A large number of our hospital staff is quarantined due to exposure.

This is real.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Our public school system state-wide was officially closed on Friday by our governor Jon Bell Edwards. The order extended to parochial schools. As a result, my schedule for the next four weeks is officially crazy. We have to watch my grandson for two of those four weeks. Fortunately, my step-daughter can help provide some schooling materials we can use to keep him from totally vegging out for the month.

 

[vba_php]

The Psychological Reason Coronavirus Is Prompting People to Hoard Toilet Paper

Of all the personal essentials needed in the event of a national health concern, why are people stocking up on Charmin?

www.mentalfloss.com

 

[AccessBlaster]

But it’s important to note that a perceived scarcity of Charmin is not proof of a global health crisis. It’s only proof that some people are taking an abundance of caution.

 

[vba_php]

can anyone see the irony here?

 

[CJ_London]

The death rate for flu is well under 0.1%. The death rate for Corona is estimated by many to be 1-2%. i.e. it is about 20 times more deadly than flu.

to put that in perspective. SARS was much more deadly, running at around 10% death rate - 774 people died worldwide, but only 8098 people were diagnosed with it.

death rate for flu is around 0.1% (not well under), (think the last week of January it was 0.09% in the UK). The NHS has stats - in the UK around 6000 people consult their GP with flu symptoms every week (at least for the last few months) - which implies around 6 people die of flu every week. The data is a bit high level - someone might go back to their GP more than once so perhaps are double counted. And of course some people don't bother and just get over it so they do not get reported. So as a comparison, over 11 weeks 66,000 people have reported having flue of which 66 people died so far this year v 1400 reported with corona virus with 35 deaths so far.

Not really enough data at the moment but from what I can discern, Corona virus can take from 2 to 14 days to present itself (and that can be mild symptoms) and once presented can remain infectious for another 14 days - so in round terms if you think you have been in contact with someone who is infected you are risking others without presenting symptoms for 2 weeks and with symptoms for a further 2 weeks once they have presented. So somewhere between 16 and 28 days.

 

[Jon]

death rate for flu is around 0.1% (not well under)

Depends on your source, the year, country etc. The source I read said well under. But whatever the best estimate they have, it is a tiny fraction of the coronavirus.

So as a comparison, over 11 weeks 66,000 people have reported having flue of which 66 people died so far this year v 1400 reported with corona virus with 35 deaths so far.

You are comparing apples with oranges. This is a new epidemic. Flu isn't. The very nature of epidemics is that they start slow, but grow exponentially. The vast majority of people get infected later on, only a tiny proportion in the early stages. The corona figures you are quoting are the early stages. Look at any exponential graph and consider the area under that graph. You will note that the real action is later on. Quoting 66 people who have died so far this year is really quoting from way after the flu has taken off. So, if you want to be objective, look at the figures from when flu first started.

Essentially, pandemics is all about the math. How contagious is it? What is the viral coefficient? From memory, flu infects 1 to 2 other people, while coronavirus infects 2 to 3. So it is nearly twice as contagious. Then you have the hospitalisation rate. Then the death rate. It all doesn't bode well.

In Italy, they are saying that if it gets worse, the over 80's will got get the intensive care treatment.

Lets lock down the world.

Some Australian airlines expert predicts they will all go bust in a few weeks.