Coronavirus - are we all doomed?

[Mike Krailo]

Poison this thread is. I will just say that the virus will not end up being successful doing any major damage when it's all said and done. It is sad that any country cannot supply their own health care workers with PPE due to a local suppliers choice to send supplies to other countries. In a crisis, you would think people would come together and try and solve the problem, instead we get finger pointing and irrational behavior and politics. Instead of asking if we are doomed, a better question is how can we help solve the problem?

Let's say we kept the rules in place and did not allow any drugs or possible cures to come to market unless they were thoroughly tested. How fast do you think we would make any progress in fighting the threat?

What would you do if you were in charge of the country?

I believe testing and removal of red tape in favor getting it done fast is the way to go. Health care workers have to have the PPE necessary to protect themselves while they perform the one of the most important jobs there is right now. If you know anyone that is part of the battle you would know this.

That Spectrum commercial with volcano describes the current mentality around the virus. "You toss all your PPE in there, and the virus ends, and everyone is happy."

 

[moke123]

Sobering Fact: This thread began on January 27th.
We are still not prepared.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Sobering Fact: This thread began on January 27th.
We are still not prepared.

The only country that is prepared ironically is the one who started it. Oh and yes Korea.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

AB, I would wonder if China really WAS prepared for it or whether they only revealed their condition after a couple of months. Our friend Tera suggests that from his news sources in Japan, there is some doubt about the REAL start in China.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Well if you listen to CNN and others, they will tell you that China are the real heroes.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

I suspect that CNN wants to use Huawei equipment and is ass-kissing to improve the odds.

 

[moke123]

Well if you listen to CNN and others, they will tell you that China are the real heroes.

Just curious, Where do you get your news?

 

[deletedT]

Well if you listen to CNN and others, they will tell you that China are the real heroes.

Can you be more specific?
What do you mean? and What does CNN or others are saying?

Is our news out of date or are you ahead of what is reported?

「消防士のふりをする放火犯」中国に米国が怒り心頭 ウイルス発生源の中国がなぜ“ヒーロー”に？ | JBpress (ジェイビープレス)

中国はもともとはウイルスの発生と拡散を許し、いわば加害者の立場にありながら、いつのまにか被害者側に回り、他国を支援する構えまでみせている。(3/4)

jbpress.ismedia.jp

The title says: The arsonist who plays as Fireman.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Just curious, Where do you get your news?

CNN, MSNBC, BBC, ABC, CBS etc. Many different places. Why where do you get yours?

 

[deletedT]

AB, I would wonder if China really WAS prepared for it or whether they only revealed their condition after a couple of months. Our friend Tera suggests that from his news sources in Japan, there is some doubt about the REAL start in China.

@The_Doc_Man At this point nothing is for sure. I don't really know what US news agencies are reporting. Our news is simply covering both sides (China & US) about the possibilities.

Did you have this in your news?

「米軍が感染症持ち込んだかも」投稿 米高官が中国大使に抗議 | NHKニュース

新型コロナウイルスを巡り、中国外務省の報道官が「アメリカ軍が中国に持ち込んだものかもしれない」とツイッターに投稿したこと…

www3.nhk.or.jp

This is the tweet from China:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1238111898828066823

Note to what it says:It might be US army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan. Be transparent! Make public your data! US owe us an explanation!

The tweet is a translated one. The main Chinese tweet is a little bit more harsh. This tweet was released when US announced the first infections in States. The tweet tries to say that US is lying. They spread the Virus themselves and now pretend to be victim. If true, how many infections. If any infections in which hospitals.

the actual Chinese tweet:

What I personally think:
To be true, for me it's very hard to accept the source is a bat or whatever is reported in that range. US has been working on biological weapons for a very long time and we know China has started working on it recently. The possibility of Corona being spread by US is almost near 0%.
I mostly think China has made a mistake and while working on a rare virus, it has been leaked out.
But after all and once again, just my opinion. Not what all Japan thinks.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Can you be more specific?
What do you mean? and What does CNN or others are saying?

Is our news out of date or are you ahead of what is reported?

「消防士のふりをする放火犯」中国に米国が怒り心頭 ウイルス発生源の中国がなぜ“ヒーロー”に？ | JBpress (ジェイビープレス)

中国はもともとはウイルスの発生と拡散を許し、いわば加害者の立場にありながら、いつのまにか被害者側に回り、他国を支援する構えまでみせている。(3/4)

jbpress.ismedia.jp

The title says: The arsonist who plays as Fireman.

CNN carries the water for China in many ways, omission is one. Praising them on the good job they did suppressing the virus, they caused.

"Trump peddles unsubstantiated hope in dark times"

more rubbish.

 

[deletedT]

Praising them on the good job they did suppressing the virus

Again, CoronaVirus is not suppressed in China. They simply stopped reporting correct figures.

An advice from me. (though I'm sure you don't need it)
Put away all your beliefs, Listen to both sides and judge which one is correct. Don't let your political position (Anti Trump or Supporter) get in the way to see the truth.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Again, CoronaVirus is not suppressed in China. They simply stopped reporting correct figures.

I never thought it was, but news outlets gushed about how far china has come.

 

[NauticalGent]

Put away all your beliefs, Listen to both sides and judge which one is correct. Don't let your political position (Anti Trump or Supporter) get in the way to see the truth.

Probably the wisest remark made on this thread. Tera, I'm impressed, but I am not surprised...

 

[Jon]

How can we trust the advice from the UK government when during the daily briefing from government ministers on how to stay safe, the presenter licks his fingers to turn the page?

Combine that with the fact that the prime minister and his two health ministers both caught it. If their advice was sound advice, why were they not safe?

My belief is that a) they are perhaps not following their own guidance, and b) their misguided belief that face masks are not effective. They confirmed yesterday in the Q&A that face masks are not effective. They said they consulted a Honk Kong expert for advice on this topic. Yet in other briefings they have confirmed that face masks can reduce the risk of an infected person spreading it to other people if the infected person is wearing a face mask. So what is it? Do they work or don't they? The underground tube in London is packed full of travellers (still). If they believe that face masks are not effective, they won't take the action to protect themselves in this confined space. That is why few are wearing them. An infected person without a mask will be breathing the virus over all the others. If they had a mask, the risk to others would be greatly minimised. How well are the countries doing who do wear face masks? Very well! Look at South Korea, China, Singapore. Everyone wears them over there. Way lower infection rates.

If you are infected, and research suggests 20% of people do not have any symptoms, then wearing a face mask in public means you are significantly reducing the risk of transmitting this virus to other people. So I do not get, understand, comprehend or can even rationalise the governments stance. Perhaps they want to keep the lie that they don't work so health workers don't get a shortage of them, and then cherry pick an adviser to back up that stance so they don't get accusations of misleading the public in the future. "It wasn't our fault. Our advisor said they didn't work!"

Sadly, my position is, don't trust your government! Do your own independent research and analysis, or just read my rants because I have done it all for you! Stay safe! AWF saves lives!

 

[deletedT]

Sadly, my position is, don't trust your government!

While it may be correct about UK government, but not for us.
Our government and health organization insist on wearing mask. Prime minister, ministers, Parliament use them too. It's very hard to see someone without a mask.
It may not be 100% effective, but we believe it's better than nothing.
A university professor was telling a normal person unconsciously touches his face, mouth, nose and eye 20 times an hour.
At least it prevents touching our nose and mouth which is effective to shut out the Virus.

PS: Another one:

 

[Jon]

@Tera, from memory, you are in Japan? I have just been ranting with my father, saying that countries like Japan, South Korea and China are taking the correct approach. We know for example that the overall package of measures by South Korea has done an excellent job in containing the virus. So, why not, without the need for evidence for each step used, just copy it in entirety? You can then build evidence for each and every step later on, but you already know the overall package works.

It may not be 100% effective, but we believe it's better than nothing.

I completely agree with you. And it helps prevent the infected people spreading the disease to others. Truncate it at source.

 

[deletedT]

@Jon Yes I'm in Japan and I really insist you and your family use mouth masks.
Just look at the numbers.
First infection in Japan was almost one month earlier than US and maybe 3 weeks earlier than Italy and UK.
We are still bellow 2000 infection and only 56 death. (most of them were over 80 years old)

We are not giants and we don't have extra DNA.
We simply sterilize our hands rapidly, wash our mouth and nose several times daily and use mouth mask.


Edit: I hesitated to add this. Because most of those who read it may not understand what it means to us.
UK, France, Germany and several other countries are starting giving financial help to their citizens.
Japan was almost doing the same, but the government changed the direction and instead of financial help,
decided to send face masks to each household.
Mask is getting hard to find here. So instead of cash, they preferred to secure people of getting infected.
They say the result is the same. If the infection rate is low, then there's no need to shut down the city and
everyone can live on his own just like before the outbreak of Corona Virus.

Me, as an individual, prefer to be healthy and be able to work, than receiving several thousands Yen and be
afraid of when me or one of my family get infected.

 

[Jon]

Without financial aid, everything will go bust over here. We need more face masks developed from local industry. But when the government and WHO are advising against their use, what hope have we?

 

[moke123]

The latest from our leader . . .

President Donald Trump said at a White House news conference Friday that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidelines are strictly voluntary. “You can do it – you don’t have to do it. It’s only a recommendation.”

Trump repeatedly stressed it is voluntary. "I don't think i'm going to be doing it," he said.