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[cheuschober]

Was he metrosexual?

Nope he was just off his gd-rocker. Lotta people did question his sexuality at some points but its neither here nor there.

~Chad

 

[KenHigg]

Nope. That's why I added the bit about 'as a population.' That person lowers your percentage in the community, not you specifically.

~Chad

Ok you have me confused now.

One of the two pcs I drew difference with was 'Most metrosexuals are far more secure in their sexuality than your average man.' I think the exact opposite is true. I think some of you guys don't know what you want, a woman or a man, since you have said you yourself are teetering on becoming gay.

 

[cheuschober]

Ok you have me confused now.

One of the two pcs I drew difference with was 'Most metrosexuals are far more secure in their sexuality than your average man.' I think the exact opposite is true. I think some of you guys don't know what you want, a woman or a man, since you have said you yourself are teetering on becoming gay.

Please direct me to where I said that!

Sexuality is not something anyone can 'become.' I can't flip a switch and say 'okay I'm gay today' anymore than a closet case with a wife and kids can say he's straight.

~Chad

Edit: That 'confusion' bit -- see if the edit I added to a previous post makes it more clear.

 

[KenHigg]

Here is one place where I picked up on it:

Metro-SEXUAL to indicate a man who almost crosses the sexual preference line.

There have been several other lines else where. I just assumed you were contemplating it since I'm not sure what 'almost crossing' means...

 

[cheuschober]

Here is one place where I picked up on it:



There have been several other lines else where. I just assumed you were contemplating it since I'm not sure what 'almost crossing' means...

Ahh... That's my fault, I skipped too many logical steps.

"Metro-SEXUAL to indicate a man who almost crosses the sexual preference line. It's a terrible stereotype to assume that gay men are all chest-waxing fashion buffs and thus you have a serious divergance in the veracity of the term but, irregardless, it is what it is."

I went on to say that it is stereotypical to say that gay men are fashion buffs. In shorter terms, I was meaning to disprove the link between sexuality and fashion sense and to loop it back around capitalized SEXUAL so as not to strengthen but call attention to the 'serious divergence in the veracity of the term'. The direct sentence itself was one of the commonly (yet misconstrued) ideas of what a metrosexual is, not my personal definition.

Better?
~Chad

 

[KenHigg]

ok ok...

Maybe you need to just clarify 'sexuality'. I tend think of it a persons sexual orientation. For example, if I say I'm secure in my sexuality, that, I would think means that I know for sure that I only want to have a physical relationship with a woman. Is that what it means to you?

 

[cheuschober]

ok ok...

Maybe you need to just clarify 'sexuality'. I tend think of it a persons sexual orientation. For example, if I say I'm secure in my sexuality, that, I would think means that I know for sure that I only want to have a physical relationship with a woman. Is that what it means to you?

Yes, I would agree with that definition--my definition is something along the lines of: the sex of the species to whom an individual of the species is sexually attracted to. This is to say 'sex' not 'gender' as the terms are not precisely equivalent (as indicated by the headaches I had with some of our administrators this past winter). This is of course completely unreleated to the concepts of gender identity or sexual identity, as well.

~Chad

 

[KenHigg]

Most metrosexuals are far more secure in their sexuality than your average man.

So you are saying that chances are (the 'most' part), you and / or your metro buddies, have far less doubt that you like women, than say me and some of my friends?

 

[cheuschober]

So you are saying that chances are (the 'most' part), you and / or your metro buddies, have far less doubt that you like women, than say me and some of my friends?

Well doubt is a very gray term and I have a feeling this'll come back to bite me later if I argue with it but I'll try, for now.

It's difficult to quanitfy doubt but I'll attempt--let's try to do so using nano-seconds of conscious thought given to one's sexuality as percieved by oneself or the outside world (IOW, time of all thought given to personal sexuality). We'll also be using the hot-pink shirt as our standard (even though I feel it's a poor example in and of itself).

In this way one could say that the amount of doubt == amount of time spent considering sexuality on any given sexuality related subject. The more time that is spent the more doubt exists. (EG. An individual with little to no doubt the Earth is round spends little to no time considering the shape of the Earth when posed with any subject pertaining to the aforemention globe)

I would rationalize that a stereotypical metro who recieved a hot-pink shirt for christmas would spend less time considering his sexuality (internal or percieved) while wearing that shirt than a stereotypical southern suburbanite.

EG. the thought "That'd make me look gay!" or something similar would be more likely to pass throug the suburbanite's head whereas the metro is less likely to give consideration (time) to being assigned a sexuality in his/her clothing choices.

This has the result of making the suburbanite more consciously aware of their own sexuality and thus 'more doubtful.'

There. I feel like it was pieced together with duct tape, bailin' wire and WD40, but give it a chew if you would.

~Chad

 

[KenHigg]

So the more a person tries to stay away from things that they perceive as gay, the closer to gay that actually makes them?

(FYI- WD40 is best used when trying to get things apart, not when trying to put them together )

 

[Rich]

I see pink shirts all the time around here.

What shade of mascara were they wearing?

 

[cheuschober]

So the more a person tries to stay away from things that they perceive as gay, the closer to gay that actually makes them?

Actually, that's different than simply doubting one's sexuality. I don't think it is possible to be 'closer' or 'less close' to sexual preference. You just sort-of are what you are. Your security in your sexuality and actual sexuality are both psychological but your actual sexuality is a bit more hardwired in your genetic makeup wheras your security is environmental.

I was horridly insecure for YEARS because I was a midwesterner who was a talented artist and was constantly accused of being 'gay' as though it was some horrid thing to be (mostly because I didn't enjoy football). Do you remember that story I told you back in October about the break-in at my apartment where the assaulters were out to 'get the queer?' I was constantly seeking 'manish' things to somehow prove my horridly insecure sexuality. Then a few years ago I just sort of let go obsessing about it, accepted that having gay friends and being in that community didn't make me gay and accepted my own sense of sexuality to the point where I didn't ever need to think about it when making a decision in my life.

The fact that any time and energy at all is spent seeking to 'stay away' from something indicates that a vulnerability is felt--as though somehow one feels they could be 'affected' (struggled for a moment there not to use 'infected') by that 'thing' (in this case sexuality). If you were 100% sure that you could not / would not be affected then you would have no cause to 'stay away' from it because it wouldn't matter.

Think of your security as a tank. If it is truly impenatrable (100% secure) then you should be able to drive it anywhere, including right to the doorstep of the 'enemy' and not even a few nuclear warheads would affect you. However, if you are insecure, cracks start to develop in the armour. Suddenly there are places to break the treads, etc. The more insecure you are the more capable you are of being affected / disabled, etc. So it stands to reason that the more insecure you are the more likely you are to 'stay away' from that which you feel could affect you. Those who seek to 'stay away' actively belie a great uncertainty in their own security.

What you described is actually a classic case (for which thousands and thousands of psychology papers have been written) of the utterly fragile male ego.

(FYI- WD40 is best used when trying to get things apart, not when trying to put them together )

@baps@ I know that! It's a term (maybe just theatrical?) -- you can supposedly build the world or tear it down with just three ingredients.

~Chad

 

[Rich]

(FYI- WD40 is best used when trying to get things apart, not when trying to put them together )

Not strictly true, sometimes male and female components need a little lubrication to assist with their union

 

[cheuschober]

Not strictly true, sometimes male and female components need a little lubrication to assist with their union

Hehe. Good one.

 

[Rich]

So just how much male body hair does one have to remove these days to be a metrosexual.
Also is the term metrosexual someting one gains on the underground, as in the same way one joins the mile high club?

 

[KenHigg]

This seems to be a reasonable proposition on the surface but I still doubt that a straight city guy is anymore confident in their sexual preference than anyone else, least of all a normal southern guy.

Instead, I propose that maybe straight city guys, like yourself, have elected to reject a life where things have been hard. You migrate to the city where others, gays included, migrate to after having found life in the suburbs 'uncomfortable'. Now you're all together with the common distaste for suburbia. You confide in each other and one of the unwritten resolutions is to be more tolerant, especially tolerant of the others sexual preferences.

Being able to speaking more openly about gay sex, breeds an environment where a person goes from feeling un-easy about it to, eventually speaking at considerable ease. Whereas in the past it wasn't as easy. This sense of comfort is equated as confidence. And this, in my humble opinion, is what a metrosexual may be feeling - That they are more open minded and un-inhibited when it comes to gay lifestyles in general.

(FYI - Bailing wire is so old school. Duct tape & WD40! )

 

[cheuschober]

Wish, I could find something better but this'll have to do on short notice:

http://health.yahoo.com/centers/personality/1699

The male ego is a very fragile thing. It takes a lot of guts to be brave. I'm not 'tolerant' as an agreement with gays who are 'tolerant' of my heterosexuality! We're not at war for christssake!

Comfort, Ken, is directly related to confidence as interpreted by just about every major school of psychology. You will not be comfortable in things you are not confident in, and visa versa. So I guess, in this statement you are correct -- comfort IS equated to confidence (as it should be).

I moved out of Southeastern Missouri because it was an artistically dead zone. Because it was closed minded and conservative (art has no place in that culture because the nature of art is to force openmindedness). Everyone who moves from any place they've ever been has had a reason for moving. You're attempting to string together completely unrelated circumstances.

There are plenty of metrosexuals who don't have a single gay friend they 'confide in.' There are plenty of metrosexuals who have never been outside the city! Where's the 'distaste for suburbia' in those individuals!?!

C'mon Ken. You're making the kind of mistake on this one that /I/ usually make.

I'm ready to go to war on this baby and believe you me when I tell you I'm loading my guns with Kinsey, Freud, and a whole host of other mostly indisputed text-book-writing phsychologists and psychiatrists.

~Chad

 

[cheuschober]

So just how much male body hair does one have to remove these days to be a metrosexual.
Also is the term metrosexual someting one gains on the underground, as in the same way one joins the mile high club?

@rolls@ I dunno. I mean each person has their own definition. You don't HAVE to wax your chest to be a metro (plenty of fellas don't, it's a matter of preference in what shows you off best--I have a more slight body type so I work the 'youth' aspect more). But if you have a unibrow, you better be cleaning it up or no one'll call you a metro.

It just sorta happens as to how you know. So I guess it's underground. Though were you to wax your chest Rich you would officially be inducted into the Metro crowd as it is a decidedly metro action. I guess induction into the club is a little of both. Either slide in with just keeping up the appearance to a slightly better than 'respectable' look or with the occasional blaring act like a chest waxing.

Remember gay is an orientation, not a lifestyle as it related to outward appearance. Many gay men wear clothes that any straight man could wear and never be called 'gay' in -- like a nice black Versace suit. 'Gay culture' is not a requirement unless you want to classify something like filing your nails with an actual emery board as part of 'gay culture.' But then its your classification of 'gay culture' that should be brought into question.

~Chad

 

[Rich]

Would you wear a Freudian slip as a metrosexual?

 

[cheuschober]

Would you wear a Freudian slip as a metrosexual?

Cute. I think that slips probably don't count as they are officially and decidedly made for the feminine form. Dress shirts are made for men. I think if you started wearing slips, Rich, we'd call you a 'transsexual' instead of a metrosexual however even 'trannie' is a misleading catch-all term that could stand to be broken.

The gender identity of the mind still is independent of sexual preference -- for example, a man with femine features who is sexually attracted women but prefers women with more masculine features. This man, during sex, might enjoy being anally stimulated by his wife wearing a strap-on dildo. Believe it or not, this doesn't make the man gay at all! It just means that this particular fellow has a gender identity that is closer to femininity and his partner, assuming she enjoys wearing the strap on, has a more masculine gender identity.

A good deal of sexual and / or gender philosophy tends to center around finding partners that balance the scale.

~Chad