I Spy

[oumahexi]

I just read an article by Dan and Peter Snow who say that 20% of people live on below the average wage of £24k. But more interestingly was the following comment:

The real-life James Bonds in MI5 earn the same as binmen, vicars, carpenters and NHS nurses, £20,000 - £30,000. A bit higher up on £30,000 - £40,000 are the pole dancers and RAF pilots, along with bishops, police constables, sandwich shop managers, vets, London cab drivers, architects and paramedics.

You'd think that a Government Spy would earn more than a Bobby, wouldn't you?

 

[EmmaJane]

I’m not sure that James Bond is the reality of the every day work of a spy. For most I imagine it is more an administrative role, with large amounts of paper and data to plough through. Where for a beat policeman (or women) they are often at risk, especially those working in certain areas.

However pole dancers on the same money as RAF pilots I think I would have more of a problem with this

 

[oumahexi]

I’m not sure that James Bond is the reality of the every day work of a spy. For most I imagine it is more an administrative role, with large amounts of paper and data to plough through. Where for a beat policeman (or women) they are often at risk, especially those working in certain areas.

Careful EmmaJane, you're in danger of blowing your cover

However pole dancers on the same money as RAF pilots I think I would have more of a problem with this

That's a tough one. I agree that our RAF pilots should be paid way more than that. But as for the pole dancers, we are apt to over pay our entertainers these days. Just look at what your average pop star or tv star earns, it's silly money. I can't group pole dancers with strippers, because it is an amazing art form, these women show tremendous athletic skills. Would we object so much to ballet dancers getting paid so well if they did so semi clad?

 

[EmmaJane]

Careful EmmaJane, you're in danger of blowing your cover

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That's a tough one. I agree that our RAF pilots should be paid way more than that. But as for the pole dancers, we are apt to over pay our entertainers these days. Just look at what your average pop star or tv star earns, it's silly money. I can't group pole dancers with strippers, because it is an amazing art form, these women show tremendous athletic skills. Would we object so much to ballet dancers getting paid so well if they did so semi clad?

I guess it depends on the criteria with which you want to measure a salary scale. There are lots to choose from…. Risk, Education, Skill, Talent…..

 

[Fifty2One]

I just read an article by Dan and Peter Snow who say that 20% of people live on below the average wage of £24k. But more interestingly was the following comment:

The real-life James Bonds in MI5 earn the same as binmen, vicars, carpenters and NHS nurses, £20,000 - £30,000. A bit higher up on £30,000 - £40,000 are the pole dancers and RAF pilots, along with bishops, police constables, sandwich shop managers, vets, London cab drivers, architects and paramedics.

You'd think that a Government Spy would earn more than a Bobby, wouldn't you?

Would an undercover MI5 spy posing as a pole dancer get £50,000 - £70,000

 

[oumahexi]

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I guess it depends on the criteria with which you want to measure a salary scale. There are lots to choose from…. Risk, Education, Skill, Talent…..

Ah, I think a pole dancer has all of that! It has to be a risky business, they are extremely skilled and very talented. 3 out of 4's not bad.

 

[oumahexi]

Would an undercover MI5 spy posing as a pole dancer get £50,000 - £70,000

I think that depends on how deep undercover. Is she a sleeper? If you'll pardon the pun.

 

[Brianwarnock]

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I guess it depends on the criteria with which you want to measure a salary scale. There are lots to choose from…. Risk, Education, Skill, Talent…..

You forgot the most important, market demand.

Brian

 

[statsman]

The main problem with RAF pilots is that flying FIGHTER aircraft is a young mans game.
While Sr. pilots are in their 30's, the vast majority are in their 20's. They haven't been in the RAF long enough to attain a rank that pays a decent wage.
The result, most fighter pilots are at lower ranks (Flying Officer, Flight Lt. etc.) The Senior Officers (Sqn. Leader, Wingco) don't fly as much as the Junior officers.
In other areas (Bomber, Transport Command) the pilots tend to stay longer as they are not constantly doing aerial gymnastics. This is providing they don't quit to take a job with an airline.
I'm just curious if the various allowances (Flight Pay, Overseas pay etc.) were taken into account.

 

[Fifty2One]

I think that depends on how deep undercover. Is she a sleeper? If you'll pardon the pun.

Its worse in Canada...

Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) Service canadien du renseignement de sécurité (SCRS) agents have to share guns, have no ammunition, and need to supply their own canoe and horse. They don't get danger pay because of the lack of bullets for guns.

The pole dancers in the lumber camps have the added risk of splinters from the wooden poles so I guess it is only fair for them to get danger pay

 

[Alc]

The real-life James Bonds in MI5 earn the same as binmen, vicars, carpenters and NHS nurses

Perhaps, but look at the expense account differences. When was the last time you saw a carpenter claim for a first class flight to some luxury location, followed by five star hotel accomodation, a top-of-the-range car (to wreck, more often than not), bespoke suits, money for casinos, etc. I've seen enough of those Bond documentaries to know that, generally speaking, spies have little need for a salary.

Also, if a nurse or a vicar deliberately kills someone in the course of his/her daily routine, they'll probably at least get a reprimand.

Gorgeous women tend to throw themselves less at binmen, too, I'd imagine.

 

[statsman]

Perhaps, but look at the expense account differences. When was the last time you saw a carpenter claim for a first class flight to some luxury location, followed by five star hotel accomodation, a top-of-the-range car (to wreck, more often than not), bespoke suits, money for casinos, etc. I've seen enough of those Bond documentaries to know that, generally speaking, spies have little need for a salary.

Also, if a nurse or a vicar deliberately kills someone in the course of his/her daily routine, they'll probably at least get a reprimand.

Gorgeous women tend to throw themselves less at binmen, too, I'd imagine.

I think that comes under the area of fringe benefits.

 

[oumahexi]

The main problem with RAF pilots is that flying FIGHTER aircraft is a young mans game.
While Sr. pilots are in their 30's, the vast majority are in their 20's. They haven't been in the RAF long enough to attain a rank that pays a decent wage.
The result, most fighter pilots are at lower ranks (Flying Officer, Flight Lt. etc.) The Senior Officers (Sqn. Leader, Wingco) don't fly as much as the Junior officers.
In other areas (Bomber, Transport Command) the pilots tend to stay longer as they are not constantly doing aerial gymnastics. This is providing they don't quit to take a job with an airline.
I'm just curious if the various allowances (Flight Pay, Overseas pay etc.) were taken into account.

I don't think any of our armed forces are paid nearly enough. Neither are they given nearly enough respect by the very people whose lifes styles they protect.

 

[Fifty2One]

I don't think any of our armed forces are paid nearly enough. Neither are they given nearly enough respect by the very people whose lifes styles they protect.

The armed forces need to be placed into rolls of defense and peace keeping, they also need to be backed by people who understand such tasks. I support my nations troops, however, I can not say I support the missions which my country have chosen to task to the forces or the political reasons behind the decisions.
The mainline media with their bent on sensationalism, shock mongering and emotions do not add support to the causes which are actually honourable. Sadly ratings and money are placed before humility and humanity.

 

[Rich]

The armed forces need to be placed into rolls of defense and peace keeping, they also need to be backed by people who understand such tasks. I support my nations troops, however, I can not say I support the missions which my country have chosen to task to the forces or the political reasons behind the decisions.
The mainline media with their bent on sensationalism, shock mongering and emotions do not add support to the causes which are actually honourable. Sadly ratings and money are placed before humility and humanity.

Are you sure it's Canada you're living in?

 

[rsmonkey]

£30 - £40K for Vets & architects ? ermm no I have friends who are in both professions earning well over £70K...

First of all you have to consider that only 10% of qualified Architects are employed (very hard profession to get into) and the ones that are employed make a killing.. Vets are the same, not on the employment front but have you ever wondered why vets bills are so high? because they can...

RAF Pilots are provided with accomodation & a full time lifestyle (same with bishops & vicars) and cannot be compared to a pole dancer who can make anything depending on how good they are & where they work so you cant really quantify their salary.

Any half decent carpenter fully qualified, is on £40K plus, The paper pusher at MI5 are on 20-30K maybe but i doubt many people know what the 'real' spies if they exsist are on and im sure it would be more espionage within corporations or other government agencies based which undoubtly would involve serious money as if you get caught for that sorta crime is a death sentence or imprisonment for life.

So which paper did you get that from? I rather like those bullsh*t smeared figures the media throw at people to make them go 'omg'...

 

[oumahexi]

£30 - £40K for Vets & architects ? ermm no I have friends who are in both professions earning well over £70K...

First of all you have to consider that only 10% of qualified Architects are employed (very hard profession to get into) and the ones that are employed make a killing.. Vets are the same, not on the employment front but have you ever wondered why vets bills are so high? because they can...

RAF Pilots are provided with accomodation & a full time lifestyle (same with bishops & vicars) and cannot be compared to a pole dancer who can make anything depending on how good they are & where they work so you cant really quantify their salary.

Any half decent carpenter fully qualified, is on £40K plus, The paper pusher at MI5 are on 20-30K maybe but i doubt many people know what the 'real' spies if they exsist are on and im sure it would be more espionage within corporations or other government agencies based which undoubtly would involve serious money as if you get caught for that sorta crime is a death sentence or imprisonment for life.

So which paper did you get that from? I rather like those bullsh*t smeared figures the media throw at people to make them go 'omg'...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cers-bishops-RAF-pilots-earn-SAME-salary.html

All I know is I'm right up there with the cleaners LOL.

 

[Rabbie]

£30 - £40K for Vets & architects ? ermm no I have friends who are in both professions earning well over £70K...

First of all you have to consider that only 10% of qualified Architects are employed (very hard profession to get into) and the ones that are employed make a killing.. Vets are the same, not on the employment front but have you ever wondered why vets bills are so high? because they can...

RAF Pilots are provided with accomodation & a full time lifestyle (same with bishops & vicars) and cannot be compared to a pole dancer who can make anything depending on how good they are & where they work so you cant really quantify their salary.

Any half decent carpenter fully qualified, is on £40K plus, The paper pusher at MI5 are on 20-30K maybe but i doubt many people know what the 'real' spies if they exsist are on and im sure it would be more espionage within corporations or other government agencies based which undoubtly would involve serious money as if you get caught for that sorta crime is a death sentence or imprisonment for life.

So which paper did you get that from? I rather like those bullsh*t smeared figures the media throw at people to make them go 'omg'...

My wifes a Vet and I have seen the salary surveys within the profession. Many young vets are earning considerably less than £30k. The average for partners is under £40K once overheads have been paid.

 

[Fifty2One]

Are you sure it's Canada you're living in?

We refer to the place we live in as Paradise, but it is within the political boundries of a country currently recognized as Canada.
Once the neighbours to the south invade for oil, clean water, hydro-electrical facilities and extra land space then I hope we will be at least the 51st state and not in pertetual limbo like Puerto Rico.

 

[georgedwilkinson]

Once the neighbours to the south invade for oil, clean water, hydro-electrical facilities and extra land space then I hope we will be at least the 51st state and not in pertetual limbo like Puerto Rico.

I'll put in a good word for you when the day comes.

Just think, you'll get to help pick the President of the United States. And we'll be countrymen! But sorry about your healthcare.