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[Jon]

The link is broken John.

And a girl being stoned to death is pretty harsh punishment for something that's not her fault I hope

Thanks for letting me know. I can't get by my own censoring! @Isaac was spot on.

 

[Jon]

Just as a reminder to all (and perhaps new information for @Jason Lee Hayes) - Jon allows multiple viewpoints in the Watercooler and asks us to just limit moderator-initiated bans to short term outages - a day or two up to a week. His official policy has been stated to be permissive for the most part. Jon even allowed a Hare Krisna to post - until the guy became abusive including sexually or scatologically explicit suggestions of what to do and when and to whom it was to be done. That was one of the few cases where Jon allowed an immediate ban and removal of the post.

Doc is right. I like people to be able to air their views. In very rare cases, they get the boot.

 

[Pat Hartman]

There was a British documentary called "death of a princess" about a young princess and how she was stoned to death.

25 Years Later - The 'death Of A Princess' Controversy | Death Of A Princess | FRONTLINE | PBS

 

[Isaac]

Religious freedom advocates ask Biden to put Nigeria back on watchlist for anti-Christian violence

A broad array of religious freedom advocates has banded together in asking President Biden to put Nigeria back on the State Department's list of countries of particular concern (CPC) on religious freedom, citing the ongoing violence, killing and displacement of Christians at the hands of Boko...

www.foxnews.com

 

[oleronesoftwares]

Whether he was actually a drug user is hard to say, but some of his seizures might have been psycho-medically induced

Lets refrain from such statements, i am a christian,but will never speak bad of any other religion.

 

[Uncle Gizmo]

Lets refrain from such statements, i am a christian,but will never speak bad of any other religion.

I was listening to Jordan Peterson recently. It came up that many religions are based on people taking psychoactive drugs which are known to induce religious experiences. We're talking about a long time in the past here, where these drugs were considered magical.

The Immortality Key; Psychedelics and the Ancient Age | Brian Muraresku & Prof. Carl Ruck | S4: E37​

 

[NauticalGent]

There was a British documentary called "death of a princess" about a young princess and how she was stoned to death.

So far, the 6th video is the best...

 

[Pat Hartman]

Lets refrain from such statements, i am a christian,but will never speak bad of any other religion.

Which statements, exactly? Are you questioning what I relayed earlier about my personal experiences? Are you questioning the documentary? Do you not believe the execution happened? Do you think talking about it is wrong? Do you believe that not talking about it will make it go away? Islam has a very bad history of persecuting Jews and Christians. Are you OK with that? Jesus does tell us to turn the other cheek, but I don't think that means we should lay down and die. As far as Islam is concerned, we have three options - convert, submit and pay up, or die. Which do you choose? I'm trying to zero in on exactly what your problem is so we can have a rational conversation.

Just FYI, if you don't like the conversation, don't join in. Just mark it as "ignore". If you have something to add, please do. If you dispute something offered as fact, please offer proof. If you have a different opinion, you are welcome to share it.

 

[Isaac]

Lets refrain from such statements, i am a christian,but will never speak bad of any other religion.

Out of curiosity, why?
Or what do you mean by bad?

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Lets refrain from such statements, i am a christian,but will never speak bad of any other religion.

I respect that you wish to avoid even the semblance of conflict, but I invite you to consider Matthew 10:34-36 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.” This is generally understood to mean that one must take up the sword to fight evil, but put aside the sword in worship because one cannot fight with God, one can only submit or not submit. So... if you don't want to take up the sword against a religion that kills Christians - sometimes on sight - then what kind of Christian are you? Or consider John 15:18, which basically says that those who hate Christians do so because they hate Christ. This is the sword referenced by Jesus.

I will leave it to you to work through the irony that an atheist is explaining scripture to you, and if you bother to look up discussions on the subject, you will find that my statements are WELL within orthodoxy. You know that struggle - the jihad - that Muslims so often reference? It is the same struggle that Jesus suggested by bringing a sword.

 

[Pat Hartman]

No interpretation of Matthew 10:34-36 that I have read sees it as jihad. This one talks about it as a reference to the Old Testament and a warning to his disciples as Jesus sends them out to spread the word that they will encounter much resistance.
Would you explain the meaning of Matthew 10:34-36 as quoted from Micah 7:6? - Church of Christ Articles

 

[The_Doc_Man]

No interpretation of Matthew 10:34-36 that I have read sees it as jihad.

My searches merely found that Jesus said that spreading the word would be a struggle due to resistance from those who do not follow the way. I was using the literal meaning of "jihad" - struggle - to show a parallel, not an identical interpretation.

The Christians DID think of it as armed conflict, not just a figurative struggle, if you look at the Crusades from a few ceturies ago or if you consider the Kosovo "ethnic cleansing" of a more recent time. And also if you consider the Church's response to the Albigensian Heresy, which involved burning of some villages and slaughter of peasants.

 

[oleronesoftwares]

I think you are misinterpreting the scripture.

Here's the quote in context. It is at 10:34
Matthew 10 ESV - The Twelve Apostles - And he called to - Bible Gateway

Jesus isn't telling us to go to war. He's telling us that his preaching's will be divisive. He was sure right about that.

I think Jesus was saying, as a believer in the process of pleasing him/obeying him, we might have to make enemies, even loved ones,like spouses or parents.

 

[Isaac]

I pretty much always interpreted that as, following Christ will not always necessarily bring peace, but often division.

 

[Isaac]

I think Jesus was saying, as a believer in the process of pleasing him/obeying him, we might have to make enemies, even loved ones,like spouses or parents.

Agree, and the surrounding context confirms it

 

[conception_native_0123]

following Christ will not always necessarily bring peace, but often division.

just division for you and the rest. following christ pisses the world off. per the words:

the world hated me before it hated you

 

[Pat Hartman]

Christians around the world are in trouble, especially in the US which used to be a bastion of Christians and Jews and all other peace loving people. The push to Socialism must destroy religion and the family to be successful and it is certainly making headway.

 

[conception_native_0123]

Christians around the world are in trouble

can you elaborate on why this is again? I did not follow,.

 

[Pat Hartman]

They are persecuted throughout the Middle East except in Israel and we won't talk about Russia and China. And then there is the US. Why was it OK to close churches but keep Casinos open?

 

[conception_native_0123]

Why was it OK to close churches but keep Casinos open?

i didnt hear about that.