Iraq: The Policy Dilemma

[Rich]

Isn't that the trainer they use for Hardly Runs?

 

[FoFa]

I like to cruise and go fast!
Ok, Ok mine's Silver, not red, but could not find a good pic of a silver one.

 

[Bodisathva]

I just found the local 'Guzzi dealer and have been contemplating stopping in to check out the new Griso 1100....any word on the reliability, power output, etc?

 

[jsanders]

Well you won't have to now that a huge deposit has been found in the Gulf of Mexico. I wonder how long it will be before the US decides it wants a puppet installed there too?

That's off the coast of the US dude.

 

[jsanders]

Thats really funny Josie. . . . . You mean get the USA to give up V8 gas guzzlers and consider the needs of rest of the planet?

Christ!! I was nearly hit by a flying pig just then!

Col

Actually Col we don’t get much of our oil from the Middle East.

By the way as I said earlier and was snuffed by the far right on this site as liberal. This latest run up of pricing was 100 percent invented by the big oil companies. There is not and has not been a shortage of oil. The US capacity has been running about 10 percent off for the last year or so.

Further more since the beginning of the oil era, the total global consumption of crude has been about 1 trillion barrels.

The current “very conservative” estimate puts the remaining at 4.5 trillion.

 

[Rich]

That's off the coast of the US dude.

So's a little country called Mexico who the oil find belongs to. Now, what was your point?

 

[FoFa]

I just found the local 'Guzzi dealer and have been contemplating stopping in to check out the new Griso 1100....any word on the reliability, power output, etc?

wildguzzi.com has a forum, and the Grisco gets pertty good reviews there.
Guzzi's are known for their reliablity, not that they never have any issues, but it is one of the few rides that are not even considered broken in until they have 20,000 miles on them. You can check out that forum and ask, you will get a lot of answers.

 

[Rich]

Just don't leave it out in the rain

 

[FoFa]

Just don't leave it out in the rain

I should know better, but I must be stupid today or something, but I'll bite. OK RICH, why do you say that?

 

[Rich]

I'm sad to say it but Italian chrome is not very durable

 

[jsanders]

So's a little country called Mexico who the oil find belongs to. Now, what was your point?

Are you that daft?

Louisiana, can you say, part of the United States?

The oil fields are located in U.S. waters. The Gulf of Mexico is not a lake you know. It's more like an ocean.

 

[ColinEssex]

The oil fields are located in U.S. waters. The Gulf of Mexico is not a lake you know. It's more like an ocean.

It doesn't matter where the oil is, the USA will just take it anyway, or if its not given willingly they'll invade the place under the pretext of the "war on terror" excuse.

Further more since the beginning of the oil era, the total global consumption of crude has been about 1 trillion barrels.

The current “very conservative” estimate puts the remaining at 4.5 trillion.

Total crude oil imports to the USA averaged 10,153 million barrels per day in July 2006. ref from US gov energy dept

Now I may be wrong here, but divide 1 trillion by 10,153 million and I get that the USA uses 1 trillion barrels every 98 days. Where did you get your figures from Josie?

In the U.S., one trillion is written as the number "1" followed by 12 zeros (1,000,000,000,000). ref NASA


Col

 

[Rich]

Are you that daft?

.

Not as daft as you apparently
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/3/14/125153.shtml

 

[Rich]

It doesn't matter where the oil is, the USA will just take it anyway, or if its not given willingly they'll invade the place under the pretext of the "war on terror" excuse.


Col

No that's the third excuse, first it was WMD when that failed to fool anybody it was "spreading democracy" now it's the war on terror

 

[ColinEssex]

No that's the third excuse, first it was WMD when that failed to fool anybody it was "spreading democracy" now it's the war on terror

Yes, but I was thinking that not even the Americans would try the first two again. . . . . .would they?

Col

 

[jsanders]

Not as daft as you apparently
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/3/14/125153.shtml

Sorry, we were talking about different finds.

 

[jsanders]

It doesn't matter where the oil is, the USA will just take it anyway, or if its not given willingly they'll invade the place under the pretext of the "war on terror" excuse.


Total crude oil imports to the USA averaged 10,153 million barrels per day in July 2006. ref from US gov energy dept

Now I may be wrong here, but divide 1 trillion by 10,153 million and I get that the USA uses 1 trillion barrels every 98 days. Where did you get your figures from Josie?

In the U.S., one trillion is written as the number "1" followed by 12 zeros (1,000,000,000,000). ref NASA


Col

You're off by either a language barrier. Or three orders of magnitude.

The total daily is 10.153 million not 1.0153 billion, A trillion is 1,000,000,000,000.

Which is 98 thousand days of consumption.

 

[ColinEssex]

Very good.

Where did you get your estimates from?

Col

 

[jsanders]

Very good.

Where did you get your estimates from?

Col

There was an article in last years Wall Street Journal on the oil sands in Canada (said to contain 1.2 Trillion barrels. Later I saw a Discovery Channel special on oil consumption.

The estimate for undiscovered fields is from 4.5 to 9 trillion barrels.

The reason the production estimates have risen sharply in the last few years is the implementation of advanced technology to locate deep fields. They are discovering new ones almost weekly now, hence the disagreement between Rich and I about the new Gulf of Mexico discoveries.

They now believe they have discovered a new find under Colorado that is even larger than the original Saudi fields.

So back to my earlier assessment, the oil companies and the oil producers are trying hard to mimic the DeBeers family and keep a strangle hold on the world supply.

But like the DeBeers and manufactured diamonds, soon, very soon, technology is going to favor alternative fuels. And the balancing act between strangling consumers and fueling innovation will lean towards the latter.

The prudent oil companies (British Petroleum being one of the first) should be investing more and more into alternative fuels and regions like the US/Canada and the EU should put aside whatever differences we have, and develop fusion energy so we can power our civilization for 10,000,000 years not a 150.

 

[FoFa]

I'm sad to say it but Italian chrome is not very durable

Ah, that is the nice thing about the Jackal, it does not have all that "bling" on it. About the only chrome is the exhaust.