Je Suis Charlie

Maybe I was wrong Anthony, but could you not see your comment singled him out?

You did the exact same thing - He may have been wrong in what he had said, but it could be perceived as a personal comment aimed at him - Just trying to stamp the fire before it spreads my friend.

Yes it was a personnel comment aimed at him, better than offending a billion moderate religious folk - and taking no responsibility for it by pretending offence is only taken, not given.


I'll be nice - and leave him to spout his extreme atheist views unchallenged then?
 
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But then again there isn't only radical Islam, Some may say what they are doing pales in comparison to the crusades we did to the Muslim population. (This in no way condones what we or they did.)

Connor the Catholic Pope set these Crusades upon the world. WHY and How it fails in comparison to the past? Addressing the Why is simple: To get back the holy land from the Muslims who took it from the Christians/Israelites earlier. Who owns the land. The Christian/Israelites because GOD gave Abraham and his descendents the holy land. To the 'How it compares' , you are right. Today we do not destroy a country when going through it to fight in another country. A large army has to eat so they take anything and everything along the way even when the passing country was friendly. The resulting free land was just given to dukes and earls of day that supported the Pope. This was not in the Popes plan, I would like to think, yet it happened.Yes, in some ways, History repeats itself and in some ways we really have evolved simply to an better, non-personal and easier way to kill people.WOW

Keep in mind that the taking over of the Holy Land today it is a little more complicated."There is OIL in them thar fields" and it will affect all of Europe if the wrong people irregardless as to their religious heritage, are able to get control of it. Compare this to Putin who is putting the "screws' on Europe because of the Natural Gas in the Ukrane.


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History always seems to repeat itself Blade, And I'm sorry to say, but in my mind Religion (no matter which one) will always cause problems as long as religion comes above common sense.

History does repeat itself however, the Radical Islam Terrorist are intent on taking over the entire world and removing Christianity and other non-Believers. Tolerance is needed here. In fact, France is a good example of the tolerance and acceptance. The big question is: Where is their tolerance and acceptance.

p.s. not all of Christianity are the same. There is a difference in the Protestant and Catholic of which I am sure those in the UK understands. And because someone kills in the name of something or someone, does not make it true for the rest. Again i.e. the Irish/UK protestant/catholic war.

I understand this is not a religious thread to some but that is what Charlie Hebdo was all about.


Blade
 
Yes it was a personnel comment aimed at him, better than offending a billion moderate religious folk - and taking no responsibility for it by pretending offence is only taken, not given.


I'll be nice - and leave him to spout his extreme atheist views unchallenged then?

I can see you are distressed AnthonyGerrard, All I am saying is that I opposed what he said without insulting him, He may have potentially offended a billion moderate religious folk, and he was wrong in doing so - but in my eyes you were wrong to match his offending comments with your own.

Do you get my point here Anthony? - As I said mate, just stamping the fire before it spreads.
 
Connor the Catholic Pope set these Crusades upon the world. WHY and How it fails in comparison to the past? Addressing the Why is simple: To get back the holy land from the Muslims who took it from the Christians/Israelites earlier. Who owns the land. The Christian/Israelites because GOD gave Abraham and his descendents the holy land. To the 'How it compares' , you are right. Today we do not destroy a country when going through it to fight in another country. A large army has to eat so they take anything and everything along the way even when the passing country was friendly. The resulting free land was just given to dukes and earls of day that supported the Pope. This was not in the Popes plan, I would like to think, yet it happened.Yes, in some ways, History repeats itself and in some ways we really have evolved simply to an better, non-personal and easier way to kill people.WOW

What astounds me is that if religion was never created, this probably wouldn't have happened (maybe for the terms of territory).

A lot of radicals would cease to exist (they would probably be radical about something else instead but you get the point)

Serious question now and I'm eager to hear the answer : Blade, what good have you seen come from religion, that could not have been done without it?

This question was not to spark a massive religious debate but just a justified answer to a question I have been pondering over. :D

Keep in mind that the taking over of the Holy Land today it is a little more complicated."There is OIL in them thar fields" and it will affect all of Europe if the wrong people irregardless as to their religious heritage, are able to get control of it. Compare this to Putin who is putting the "screws' on Europe because of the Natural Gas in the Ukrane.

But who is it to say its "THEIR" religious heritage, In another religions holy book I'm sure it would say it was their heritage also, which is probably the case with the muslims taking over the holy land before the crusades. (an uneducated guess :p)

History does repeat itself however, the Radical Islam Terrorist are intent on taking over the entire world and removing Christianity and other non-Believers. Tolerance is needed here. In fact, France is a good example of the tolerance and acceptance. The big question is: Where is their tolerance and acceptance.
I wouldn't say it was a factor of tolerance and acceptance, Me,Myself would put it down to them thinking about the repercussions of their retaliation if they did decide to. We live in an age where people can be killed before being seen Blade, 1 death can spark war. Very serious repercussions can come from France retaliating and they know this.

p.s. not all of Christianity are the same. There is a difference in the Protestant and Catholic of which I am sure those in the UK understands. And because someone kills in the name of something or someone, does not make it true for the rest. Again i.e. the Irish/UK protestant/catholic war.

I understand this is not a religious thread to some but that is what Charlie Hebdo was all about.


Blade

Never said they were, my friend (if that was aimed at me), on the contrary I proclaimed they were different as they liked to cherry pick their own rules from their sacred books.

I agree with some of the rules in your books, because what bad could come from being friendly to your neighbour or not committing crimes. just general things like that I have followed my whole life but not because of religion - more because I would think it to be common decency. :D
 
I can see you are distressed AnthonyGerrard, All I am saying is that I opposed what he said without insulting him, He may have potentially offended a billion moderate religious folk, and he was wrong in doing so - but in my eyes you were wrong to match his offending comments with your own.

Do you get my point here Anthony? - As I said mate, just stamping the fire before it spreads.

I merely said he's intolerant of religion. More intolerant than say a moderate muslim or christian is of each other.

So I suggested he more of a problem than the moderates are - directly in response to his statement.

Am I not allowed to say that? Should I have censored that? Or should you be trying to censor that?
 
I merely said he's intolerant of religion. More intolerant than say a moderate muslim or christian is of each other.

So I suggested he more of a problem than the moderates are - directly in response to his statement.

Am I not allowed to say that? Should I have censored that? Or should you be trying to censor that?

You seem to be making a mountain out of a mole hill Anthony! Calm down, Eat a Snickers! ;) :D

What he said was wrong yes, but by you insulting him personally makes you look bad, (that doesn't condone what he said) but all I'm saying is there was no need to match an offensive comment with another.(again this doesn't condone what he said because his comment was also wrong to say).

I'm not targeting you Anthony, Galaxiom has just said his peice and stopped commenting, so my reply to his comment remains unanswered if that makes up for any view you have of me targeting your comments :D
 
You seem to be making a mountain out of a mole hill Anthony! Calm down, Eat a Snickers! ;) :D

What he said was wrong yes, but by you insulting him personally makes you look bad, (that doesn't condone what he said) but all I'm saying is there was no need to match an offensive comment with another.(again this doesn't condone what he said because his comment was also wrong to say).

I'm not targeting you Anthony, Galaxiom has just said his peice and stopped commenting, so my reply to his comment remains unanswered if that makes up for any view you have of me targeting your comments :D

Your original comment to me was taken , not just by myself as censoring rather than merely disagreeing.

How did I insult him personally? I addressed him personally and I'm sure he'd disagree but that's all.

Stopped eating marathons when they changed the name!
 
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Your original comment to me was taken , not just by myself as censoring rather than merely disagreeing.

How did I insult him personally? I addressed him personally and I'm sure he'd disagree but that's all.

Stopped eating marathons when they changed the name!

Settle down guys, No need for the Direct comment Anthony - Let us all be friendly!
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I never said - don't do anything, I just proclaimed there was no need for it? So where have you and the other people determined I was censoring? If you show me I will apologise. If not, well mountains out of mole hills is what I will refer back to ;)


The problems exist in people so certain of their own beliefs that there is no grey areas and so no tolerance of others. A bit like yourself Galaxiom.
I wouldn't call what you said addressing him, It was a comment in which you meant to offend him since what he said was offensive.

I never even knew they where called marathons :D - Thanks for the info!

I do enjoy the occasional snickers/marathon though.
 
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If you do so feel the need, this will be continued tomorrow as I will not check my emails until then.

Have a nice night everyone.
 
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I never said - don't do anything, I just proclaimed there was no need for it?



I wouldn't call what you said addressing him, It was a comment in which you meant to offend him since what he said was offensive.

I never even knew they where called marathons :D - Thanks for the info!

I do enjoy the occasional snickers/marathon though.

I was pointing out I thought extreme views like his more of a problem than moderate religious ones.

Since I think he doesn't regard himself as extreme - it was necessary to point out I meant him.


I wasn't trying to be offensive at all, just stating how I see things and Galaxiom in the context of religious tolerance.

Though please let me know more of your theories of my motives?
 
"Social Contract" the meat of the potato: "Social contract arguments typically posit that individuals have consented, either explicitly or tacitly, to surrender some of their freedoms and submit to the authority of the ruler or magistrate (or to the decision of a majority), in exchange for protection of their remaining rights" What kind of ruler????? A majority is typically MOB rule.Look to the protest (not peaceful) that has happened in the US lately. Someone said and I paraphrase: 'If you give up some of you liberty for security, you have neither.' WHY? because when you give up your liberties, the authority will take until there are no more. For once you open that can of worms, you cannot close it without a lot of bloodshed.

You've posted a definition and yet have no understanding. It's truly remarkable how you continue to bluff your way through with your false sense of authority. Take some time with this link to actually understand what is meant by the term.


Spent three years in Germany traveling all over Europe back when they did not have this problem. France and most all other countries (except eastern Europe) had open borders and Paris was as beautiful back then as it is now. The apprehension that almost certainly has to be there now was absent then. Does that satisfy your ....whatever?

Before the 1970's then?


I'll reiterate. I'm not berating you for your lack of knowledge but for your pretense on being an authority on whatever subject is raised. You clearly have no knowledge of, for example, the PFLP's actions in France during the 1970's because it's not in the literature that you're copying and pasting from.
 
Here's a question for you Blade. If this segment from Fox news wasn't challenged, would you have cited it as supporting evidence for your point of view? Go on, answer honestly. Link
 
I would say no more needs to be said on the matter.

wouldn't you agree Anthony?
 
It's actually quite a relevent question, as Blade made this very same accusation against a Belgian city (Brussels, I think it was) in this very forum last fall until I called him on it. I was actually expecting him to jump on the Fox 'News' story and run with it when it happened.
 
What have the female sex done to you? Everytime somebody of indeterminate gender upsets you decide that they are female, remember Dan Cat?

Brian

Danielle? Ah yes, she's still here, and Josephine. Such happy days then on the forums, unlike now.

Actually, it was Rich that did the girls names, I just went with it.

But Frothy is a bit girly in her comments, but a good laugh, especially the gun speak.
The gun owners come on all Clint Eastwood and make out they'll blast anyone who comes within 500 yards of them, but in reality would run in the opposite direction. Yet they assume we all believe them and think how wonderful they are, when they are just being totally stupid.

Col
 
Remember: trolling is not against the rules, and the watercooler is largely an "enter at your own risk" environment. That said, feel free to recognize and ignore people and posts that degrade the value of this space, or who don't make a positive contribution to what is, in essence, your forum.
 
You've posted a definition and yet have no understanding. It's truly remarkable how you continue to bluff your way through with your false sense of authority. Take some time with this link to actually understand what is meant by the term.

Before the 1970's then?

I'll reiterate. I'm not berating you for your lack of knowledge but for your pretense on being an authority on whatever subject is raised. You clearly have no knowledge of, for example, the PFLP's actions in France during the 1970's because it's not in the literature that you're copying and pasting from.

Hello Dan-Cat.Most of the time I speak from the heart. My paste and copies are to bring another idea to the table so-to-speak so everyone can see. It has nothing to do with me.

Your right, I do not know about the PFLPs action in France prior to 1970 but do know a little about the PFLPs. They are the reject for Syria, Jordon, Egypt and SA because they were too Terroristic (new word lol). They were placed where they are today and could enjoy peace with all around and Israel. They refuse to.WHy/
Here is one of two reasons: The PFLP charter lists six main sections and ideologies: (1) Revolutionary War is People's War; (2) Guerrilla War to Pressure for the "Peaceful Solution"; (3) No Revolutionary War Without a Revolutionary Theory; (4) The War of Liberation Is a Class War Guided by a Revolutionary Ideology; (5) The Main Field of Our Revolution Struggle is Palestine; and, (6) Revolution in Both Regions of Jordan. "There will be wars and rumors of War"

Your social contract , I am a little surprise at. Yes, the states (United States) are supposed to carry forth the will of the people. The Federal Government was meant originally to protect our borders, handle disputes between states (interstate commerce) and of course take care of foreign policies for the whole country. This link you gave me surprising states that revolution is the way to go if the states do away with the people voice. Quote from the link:" He also believed that revolution was not just a right but an obligation if the state abused their given power" I ask you, What about the Federal Government? Do we revolt because it is abusing its powers, powers might I add that were never given it by our founding fathers. or do you feel it is not abusing its powers.

P.s your opinion is always welcome and what I say is not meant to silence your opinion but to shed light on a different opinion. Besides, could I ever change it???? your opinion that is? I think not! so why try. Keep in mind to get to my opinion, life learned experiences have gotten me here the same as it has you. We each have an opinion. Unless they are the same, one has to right and one has to be wrong. Of course there is always the middle ground.

A country is only as good as its borders. I think Europe may be finally waking up. I hope so.

Have a great day

Blade
 
Here's a question for you Blade. If this segment from Fox news wasn't challenged, would you have cited it as supporting evidence for your point of view? Go on, answer honestly. Link

Boy Howdy, you do know how to make it hard on a fella. The so-called expert in question was: "Mr Emerson, who founded a group called The Investigative Project on Terrorism, was giving his perspective on the terror attacks in France to Fox presenter Jeanine Pirro."

I did not see the program but if they stayed true to their companies rules, they also had someone who presented the other side of the coin..

Of course it is up to you (and others) to decide which side to believe or not. On Fox it is either agree with one side or agree with the other side or agree with NO sides. Your choice.

Now let me ask you Mr. Dan-Cat: had you rather watch a news program coming from a political side giving only the news companies views for events. What do you do if you don't agree with that side or maybe is it that you watch those news programs because you already agree. (i.e. Al Sharpton on MSNBC) with everything they say?????

Again, you have to make that decision, I cannot help you here my friend.

Blade
 
It's actually quite a relevent question, as Blade made this very same accusation against a Belgian city (Brussels, I think it was) in this very forum last fall until I called him on it. I was actually expecting him to jump on the Fox 'News' story and run with it when it happened.

Good Evening Mr. Frothingslosh:

I am not sure what I said but I pretty sure I will stand behind what I said unless someone give me a good reason to change my opinion. Was That you Mr. Frothingslosh?

As far a Fox News story about the happening at Charlie Hebdo, I watched it through their eyes and made my own decision(s) about the situation. Today, Belgium took down some terrorist. My hat is off to them. YEEEEE_Ha

Have a good day



Blade
 
Danielle? Ah yes, she's still here, and Josephine. Such happy days then on the forums, unlike now.

Actually, it was Rich that did the girls names, I just went with it.

But Frothy is a bit girly in her comments, but a good laugh, especially the gun speak.
The gun owners come on all Clint Eastwood and make out they'll blast anyone who comes within 500 yards of them, but in reality would run in the opposite direction. Yet they assume we all believe them and think how wonderful they are, when they are just being totally stupid.

Col

Hi Colin: hope you are doing well this evening and hope your wife is feeling, well..........a little better.

The 1970's was all Clint Eastwood. I still have the older model single action .44 magnum I got when he first came out. "Most powerful handgun in the world". Well it is not now but it is big enough. Have killed several white-tail deer during hunting season with it. There is one thing that I remember most of all, from all of those movies. "A MAN HAS TO KNOW HIS LIMITATIONS" ......."a man......... has to know his limitations". I think this applies to all of us and especially to those gun owners you were speaking of tonight.

By the way. Clint Eastwood as a Director and Producer loosed the movie "American Sniper". Good reviews so far!

have a good evening

Blade
 

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