Mark Warner for President

[emcf]

that's the first i've heard of mark warner (i saw his name mentioned in a bbc article too the other day where it was noted he was a potential presidential candidate). i also read in the paper in the last couple of weeks that the next race might be between hilary and condi. does anyone think that there will be an all woman race next time? apparently condi escorting jack straw (uk foreign secretary) around one of the southern states recently was an indication that she was presidential material.

how about one of the american posters putting up a shortlist of potential candidates? or it is all a bit early to get worked up about an election which is years away?!

 

[jsanders]

Certainly Condalisa Rise is the most intelligent person in the Bush administration.

 

[Rich]

Is there a specific part of jeremie's post that spurred this comment, or all of it?

"I would love to be a write in candidate for office, just to see what kind of shake up a common man can cause."

 

[Rich]

Certainly Condalisa Rise is the most intelligent person in the Bush administration.

But has she got balls ?

 

[Kraj]

does anyone think that there will be an all woman race next time?

Not a chance.

There's an outside possibility Hilary might run and I'd love to see it happen whether she'd make a good President or not. But there's no way the Republicans will run a black woman when a great deal of the core of their voter base, ie. the south, remains racially motivated.

But has she got balls ?

Now that was funny!

 

[ColinEssex]

Here is an idea, vote for a friend or someone you know. Heck, run for office yourself.

Don't you have to be in the pocket of big multi-nationals to run for office? They then tell you what to do / how to evade environmental controls / who to invade etc., then you award them huge rebuilding or other contracts with nice fat backhanders for your Swiss accounts.

I'm not sure Mr Ordinary Nice American person could afford it.
Even GWB's inauguration ceremony cost $14million.

Col

 

[jsanders]

Don't you have to be in the pocket of big multi-nationals to run for office? They then tell you what to do / how to evade environmental controls / who to invade etc., then you award them huge rebuilding or other contracts with nice fat backhanders for your Swiss accounts.

I'm not sure Mr Ordinary Nice American person could afford it.
Even GWB's inauguration ceremony cost $14million.

Col

The ultimate Irony is that now DuPont is making home water filters.

Made in China, sold in Wal-Mart.

 

[Rich]

Even GWB's inauguration ceremony cost $14million.

Col

Wasn't that the scaled down cost, and what the hell's the point of the ceremony anyway ?

 

[Rich]

The ultimate Irony is that now DuPont is making home water filters.

Made in China, sold in Wal-Mart.

That's capitalism for you

 

[cavscout]

But there's no way the Republicans will run a black woman when a great deal of the core of their voter base, ie. the south, remains racially motivated.

Completely void of any accuracy Kraj. Racial tension is a phenomenom perpetuated by liberals who find it's the best way to manipulate people with no logic or self determination. Martin Luther King would be smacking Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and even his own wife and kids if he saw what they were doing to the civil rights cause today.

More likely, the reason Conddie might not get elected is because she is viewed as an "Uncle Tom" by the Democratic black community who would just assume die as allow black person to speak against the Democratic rhetoric.

 

[Kraj]

Completely void of any accuracy Kraj.

I disgaree.

Racial tension is a phenomenom perpetuated by liberals

That's a load of crap if I ever heard one. Sorry for a less-than-intellectual response, but there you have it. I suppose when all the southern, white racist politicians migrated to the Republican in party in 1964 (what's that, Strom Thurmond was originally a Democrat?) that was the end of it and we've all learned the error of our ways.

who find it's the best way to manipulate people with no logic or self determination.

That's pretty much the gameplan of every political campaign. What's your point?

Martin Luther King would be smacking Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and even his own wife and kids if he saw what they were doing to the civil rights cause today.

Other than 'his own wife and kids', I'd agree.

More likely, the reason Conddie might not get elected is because she is viewed as an "Uncle Tom" by the Democratic black community who would just assume die as allow black person to speak against the Democratic rhetoric.

Speaking of rhetoric...

And I find this analysis lacking. The Democratic black community is already likely to vote Democrat, so why would a lack of their support affect Rice much? It's whether the white Republicans will support her or not that's the key.

 

[Rich]

Martin Luther King would be smacking Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and even his own wife and kids if he saw what they were doing to the civil rights cause today.
.

Other than suggesting hurricanes are God's work, what exactly is Jackson accused of, telling the truth?

 

[jsanders]

Other than suggesting hurricanes are God's work, what exactly is Jackson accused of, telling the truth?

Grossly exaggerating the prevalence of racism. If anyone blames racism as a reason their life is not as successful as it should be is making an excuse. Some politicians capitalize on self pity.

 

[jsanders]

Other than suggesting hurricanes are God's work, what exactly is Jackson accused of, telling the truth?

Grossly exaggerating the prevalence of racism. If anyone blames racism, as a reason their life is not as successful as it should be, is making an excuse.

Some politicians capitalize on self pity.

 

[ColinEssex]

Grossly exaggerating the prevalence of racism. If anyone blames racism, as a reason their life is not as successful as it should be, is making an excuse.

I'm led to believe that there's not much improvement on racism in the deep south since the 1960's - and that coloured people are still called "ni**ers" and live in tin shacks whilst the white people enjoy all the amemities and have the good jobs.

Col

 

[Rich]

Grossly exaggerating the prevalence of racism.

Oddly enough that's not how the rest of the world sees it.

 

[jsanders]

Oddly enough that's not how the rest of the world sees it.

I guess the rest of the world is victim to the same crap that Americans are. The only news you get, is the kind that makes the most money.

America is by far the most racially integrated nation in the world. And the model that many in the world could learn from.

From the problems we had in the past to where we are today. No other nation has coped with racial integration the way we have and are. We’re decades ahead of Europe on this one. Wait and see, this latest thing in France is just the beginnings of Extreme Racism in Europe.


If you don’t know all this; it is absolutely the fault of your information gathering apparatus.

 

[ColinEssex]

If you don’t know all this; it is absolutely the fault of your information gathering apparatus.

and if you do know it - its due to the efficiency of your government propoganda machine and your censored TV news programmes.

You may well be right though, France may be the tip and it'll spread - very difficult to deal with I think.

Col

 

[jsanders]

and if you do know it - its due to the efficiency of your government propoganda machine and your censored TV news programmes.

You may well be right though, France may be the tip and it'll spread - very difficult to deal with I think.

Col

Hey Col,

Welcome back, It just too easy to beat up on Rich when he’s alone.

My information about racism is from living in the most integrated and wealthiest region of the US.

I live in the Mid-Atlantic region, in particular Northern Virginia.

This is the place where the strongest intellectual migration is occurring in the US and maybe in the world. Educated and highly motivated people live here from albinos to jet black people, from Native Americans to Chinese. I doubt white people are a clear majority here. So my friendships and acquaintances range from all over the spectrum.

Very few people here let any kind of racism deter them from their personal goals, and in fact, they tend to look at people from their own race, that use the race card, as whiners, and losers. American culture is about overcoming any obstacle. Be it race, economic back ground or need for education. As long as any person blames anything except themselves for the shape they’re in, very little in the way of personal growth will occur.

So I think cavscout was trying to say something like this in the post that got all this started.

 

[ColinEssex]

Hey Col,

Welcome back, It just too easy to beat up on Rich when he’s alone.

Thanks, its nice to be back. From the posts I've read it would appear that Rich has been fairly subdued over the last few weeks

My information about racism is from living in the most integrated and wealthiest region of the US.

I live in the Mid-Atlantic region, in particular Northern Virginia.

I take it thats nowhere near Alabama or any of the traditional deep south poor areas then

To be fair though, I'm not criticising the USA, we too have our racial hotspots and as I said earlier its a very difficult scenario to deal with especially in todays world of easy travel and accessability to most areas of the world.

Col