Mark Warner for President

[jsanders]

Thanks, its nice to be back. From the posts I've read it would appear that Rich has been fairly subdued over the last few weeks



I take it thats nowhere near Alabama or any of the traditional deep south poor areas then

To be fair though, I'm not criticising the USA, we too have our racial hotspots and as I said earlier its a very difficult scenario to deal with especially in todays world of easy travel and accessability to most areas of the world.


Col

One of the things you have to remember about the US is that 80% live in major cities. So the type of racism you are referring to is a very small part of the whole picture.

A derivative of racism that is having a much more pronounced effect, is the victim mentality. And the propensity for inner city people of color to give up because they believe that no matter what they do they cannot succeed.


This business of gangster rap is an obvious example, where they call each other the N word. Can you imagine any benefit from making it acceptable to use derogatory words in that fashion?

Check out the movie “Crash” for a look at some of the real affects of our racist issues. These are subtle, yet the movie was very astute in identifying them.

 

[ColinEssex]

A derivative of racism that is having a much more pronounced effect, is the victim mentality. And the propensity for inner city people of color to give up because they believe that no matter what they do they cannot succeed.

It would appear they seem to have to prove themselves more so than a white person and they finally give up against overwhelming odds

This business of gangster rap is an obvious example,

I've never heard of this "gangster rap" - I've heard of rap, where they mumble words in a sort of incoherent way

Col

 

[Kraj]

This business of gangster rap is an obvious example, where they call each other the N word. Can you imagine any benefit from making it acceptable to use derogatory words in that fashion?

Yes: it destroys that word's derogatory power by changing the meaning. Oddly enough, the black community apparently wants to integrate that word as a positive part of their culture, but still retain it as an offensive word coming from anyone who isn't black.

I've never heard of this "gangster rap" - I've heard of rap, where they mumble words in a sort of incoherent way

Ganster rap is a form of rap that celebrates illegal and thuggish behavior - brawling, dealing drugs, voilence against police, etc. - as opposed to the more non-threatening rap of Will Smith and Vanilla Ice.

 

[jsanders]

It would appear they seem to have to prove themselves more so than a white person and they finally give up against overwhelming odds

Col

It’s really no longer a race issue it’s a class issue. It’s getting harder and harder for people from lower income groups to rise to the middle.

 

[jsanders]

Yes: it destroys that word's derogatory power by changing the meaning. Oddly enough, the black community apparently wants to integrate that word as a positive part of their culture, but still retain it as an offensive word coming from anyone who isn't black.


Ganster rap is a form of rap that celebrates illegal and thuggish behavior - brawling, dealing drugs, voilence against police, etc. - as opposed to the more non-threatening rap of Will Smith and Vanilla Ice.

Kraj, Do you really think it changes the meaning?

I mean if you make a whole culture of distancing yourself from the mainstream, how can you then condemn it. I think that the black culture that is marqueed by that music is damaging the very people that purchase it.

As I said earlier ALL of my black friends (and I have nearly as many black friends as white, and my “white” friends are a smattering of European, Middle Eastern, North Africa, and Native Americans) behave as traditional European Americans, in that they are educated and successful AMERICANS not African Americans. They don’t make a point of being not white.


How did the Asians of the last 20 years or so get to be so successful in our country? They didn’t feel like they couldn’t be, that’s how. It’s all about personal conviction.

And by the way you left out violence against women.

 

[Kraj]

Kraj, Do you really think it changes the meaning?

In thoery or in practice? I think that taking a derogatory term and changing its use removes the derogatory power. For example, if the majority of English speakers only ever used the word "bitch" to refer to a female dog, then on the rare occasion someone called you a bitch then it really wouldn't be offensive. We're only offended by words because we believe we should be.

I mean if you make a whole culture of distancing yourself from the mainstream, how can you then condemn it. I think that the black culture that is marqueed by that music is damaging the very people that purchase it.

I agree. I may be completely missing the point (you know, since I'm a white boy from the suburbs) but I think the culture is born out of the perception that crime is and has been the only way from most of the black community to make a decent living for a long time, so why not embrace and celebrate it? If the white folk want us dealing drugs in the ghetto so badly, then let's make the most of it instead of fighting it? If the cops are going to treat us all like criminals because we're black no matter what we do, then we may as well all be criminals.

I may be completely wrong, but that's the best I can figure out.

And by the way you left out violence against women.

Sorry....my mistake.

 

[Rich]

America is by far the most racially integrated nation in the world. And the model that many in the world could learn from.
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God your ignorance is encyclopaedic, what colour were those abandoned to their own fate by Bush after Katrina.
Why are there more blacks in prison in Texas than in school, racial integration and justice for all, I don't think so. Do Texans still refer to blacks as BOY by the way?
Do white Texans still lecture the blacks that it was the white man who made the country what it is today and the blacks should be grateful for what they've got?

 

[Rich]

America is by far the most racially integrated nation in the world. And the model that many in the world could learn from.
.

God your ignorance is encyclopaedic, what colour were those abandoned to their own fate by Bush after Katrina.
Why are there more blacks in prison in Texas than in school, racial integration and justice for all, I don't think so. Do Texans still refer to blacks as BOY by the way?
Do white Texans still lecture the blacks that it was the white man who made the country what it is today and the blacks should be grateful for what they've got?
Nope, blacks are still seen as second class citizens by many in your country (including Bush) and anyone who dares to prick the conscience of middle class America by pointing it out is denounced and labelled extremist

 

[Kraj]

While I can't say I agree with jsanders' sentiment completely, I think you're overlooking his earlier point of race vs. economic class. While racism is certianly a factor in American society (especially in the deep south), most of the examples you mentioned are due to the fact that a disproportionate percentage of black Americans are poor or in poverty, not the fact that they're black.

And it's not the people who discuss the issue of racism in this country who are labeled extremists, it's the people who believe everything is a racial issue.

 

[jsanders]

While I can't say I agree with jsanders' sentiment completely, I think you're overlooking his earlier point of race vs. economic class. While racism is certianly a factor in American society (especially in the deep south), most of the examples you mentioned are due to the fact that a disproportionate percentage of black Americans are poor or in poverty, not the fact that they're black.

And it's not the people who discuss the issue of racism in this country who are labeled extremists, it's the people who believe everything is a racial issue.

That’s for sure Kraj.

 

[jsanders]

God your ignorance is encyclopaedic, what colour were those abandoned to their own fate by Bush after Katrina.
Why are there more blacks in prison in Texas than in school, racial integration and justice for all, I don't think so. Do Texans still refer to blacks as BOY by the way?
Do white Texans still lecture the blacks that it was the white man who made the country what it is today and the blacks should be grateful for what they've got?
Nope, blacks are still seen as second class citizens by many in your country (including Bush) and anyone who dares to prick the conscience of middle class America by pointing it out is denounced and labelled extremist

Rich, Rich, Rich,

As usual you’ve got it all backwards.

My ignorance is not encyclopedic; it’s my knowledge, and wisdom.

 

[Rich]

Rich, Rich, Rich,

As usual you’ve got it all backwards.

My ignorance is not encyclopedic; it’s my knowledge, and wisdom.

 

[JoeCruse]

Ganster rap is a form of rap that celebrates illegal and thuggish behavior - brawling, dealing drugs, voilence against police, etc. - as opposed to the more non-threatening rap of Will Smith and Vanilla Ice.

I'm sorry, but I had to post on this HORRIBLE misconception: The rap of Vanilla Ice was THE single worst form of rap and far from being a non-threatening from, it was senses-threatening. From the time the first beat hits till the last "Ice Ice Baby" came from the speaker, the unsuspecting hearer of his rap was at risk of having their head explode!!! No other form of music has celebrated mediocrity as much as Ice Baby's has, at least not until the Simpson sisters came along.

 

[Rich]

The rap of Vanilla Ice was THE single worst form of rap

You keep misspelling rap

 

[ColinEssex]

You keep misspelling rap

It was George Harrison who said "rap is crap"

Col

 

[Rich]

It was George Harrison who said "rap is crap"

Col

And who can blame him, and who decided to call what I assume was regarded to be soul music, R&B

 

[Kraj]

The rap of Vanilla Ice was THE single worst form of rap and far from being a non-threatening from, it was senses-threatening.

Lol... no argument here.

And who can blame him, and who decided to call what I assume was regarded to be soul music, R&B

R&B is actually quite distinct from Soul. If you take Soul music, and then rip the soul out of it, you have R&B.

 

[Researcher]

What does this have to do with VBA ? Should not be in here!

What is this doing in here?

Under Mark Warner’s leadership Virginia became one of the countries best run states. Cooperation between Republicans and Democrats is at its highest in Virginia.

State wide more Republicans voted for Cain (the former Democratic Lt Governor) then ever before.

Mark Warner had an 80% approval rate as Governor.

Mark Warner is the man for the job. Democrats and moderate Republicans should look to Warner as the man that can get the country moving in the right direction.

 

[MrsGorilla]

Umm...this is the Watercooler, which is why it is under the heading of "Non-Access Issues". Hence, this is where we come to talk about things not relating to Access (or VBA, etc.). If you're looking for VB/VBA stuff you should try looking under those forums.