Paris Hilton's Get Out Of Jail Card.

[Rich]

Oh yeah, and you guys were doing a great job. You were fabulous at saving us, the French, Italians, Northern Africa ...

God Bless the Queen.

We have mentioned before just how appalling Americans history and geography lessons are but Italy was a facist state and Nazi Germanys' ally at the time and we'd all but recovered North Africa before you guys landed and got your feet wet

 

[pdx_man]

We have mentioned before just how appalling Americans history and geography lessons are but Italy was a facist state and Nazi Germanys' ally at the time and we'd all but recovered North Africa before you guys landed and got your feet wet

Check your ignorance at the door. While it was a facist state, what was the outcome of their relationship with Hitler. Where did it get them? They ended up in the same place as Austria, another country you saved from Hitler.

Great, you almost got North Africa back. Congratulations. All the while your neighbors are learning to make sauerkraut. You guys were getting your a$$ handed to you.

Appalling ...

 

[pdx_man]

To get back to my first objection with this wandering thread, Rich hates everything American and will complain about American involvement, but cries about us not coming in to save them earlier. Make up your mind, you can't have it both ways.

Ah, I do miss the days prior to Feb, 2002 when you could actually have a discussion thread that kept on topic and somehow didn't turn into something about how crappy America is.

 

[Rich]

Check your ignorance at the door. While it was a facist state, what was the outcome of their relationship with Hitler. Where did it get them? They ended up in the same place as Austria, another country you saved from Hitler.

Great, you almost got North Africa back. Congratulations. All the while your neighbors are learning to make sauerkraut. You guys were getting your a$$ handed to you.

Appalling ...

They lost, don't you guys have history lessons, I mean real ones, not the ones witten by the US state propoganda dept... appalling,

 

[Rich]

To get back to my first objection with this wandering thread, Rich hates everything American and will complain about American involvement, but cries about us not coming in to save them earlier. Make up your mind, you can't have it both ways.

Ah, I do miss the days prior to Feb, 2002 when you could actually have a discussion thread that kept on topic and somehow didn't turn into something about how crappy America is.

Typical American response, accuse without a thread of evidence

 

[pdx_man]

They lost, don't you guys have history lessons, I mean real ones, not the ones witten by the US state propoganda dept... appalling,

That was my point ... can you read?

Typical American response, accuse without a thread of evidence

Evidence to support what? What accusation? You argue like a 3 year old ...

 

[Rich]

You argue like a 3 year old ...

And you argue like an American, try reading your post and see if you can work it out for yourself.....

 

[pdx_man]

You have not addressed a single thing I have posted. A very weak debator from a very weak position.

 

[pdx_man]

OK, let's do a quick review of my post from which your response was

Typical American response, accuse without a thread of evidence

Rich hates everything American and will complain about American involvement, but cries about us not coming in to save them earlier

Surely even you must classify yourself as a moron if you seriously believe there is no evidence here on this forum that you hate everything American. You have been able to hijack any thread you want and turn it into an anti-American something or other.

We, as Americans know that we have shortcomings, but not everyone fits into this terrible mold you have built for us. What an educated person would say is, "The majority of Americans are a$$holes for voting for Bush", or "Generally, American's logic is confusing".

 

[qailoh]

Surely even you must classify yourself as a moron if you seriously believe there is no evidence here on this forum that you hate everything American. You have been able to hijack any thread you want and turn it into an anti-American something or other.

We, as Americans know that we have shortcomings, but not everyone fits into this terrible mold you have built for us. What an educated person would say is, "The majority of Americans are a$$holes for voting for Bush", or "Generally, American's logic is confusing".

Hear, hear! I must applaud the assessment of Rich/Col's ability to debate as well, whenever a shred of testimony is offered that contradicts the incredibly ignorant, misinformed and ad hominem statements they make, it always devolves into even more of the same...

 

[Rich]

What an educated person would say is, "The majority of Americans are a$$holes for voting for Bush", or "Generally, American's logic is confusing".

Well what are you arguing for then?

 

[ColinEssex]

Hear, hear! I must applaud the assessment of Rich/Col's ability to debate as well,

The skill in debating is to pitch the conversation at the intellectual level of the other person otherwise they can't understand, we try to get our points across like that.
If our debating skills appear basic . . . it's because we are adjusting down to the USA level - otherwise US posters get paranoid and defensive and start name calling etc.

Ah, I do miss the days prior to Feb, 2002 when you could actually have a discussion thread that kept on topic and somehow didn't turn into something about how crappy America is.

That'll be before the USA decided to try to turn the world into a USA clone using the bombs then - the Iraqi's were quite happy as they were.
Now the world is a much more dangerous place thanks to Bush - and you still expect the world to love the USA???
Have a look at some unbiased uncensored news and you may see the truth, which could be an eye opener for you. Or have a look at Fahrenheit 9/11 - has it been on national TV yet?. . . . . . . .no, didn't think so

Col

 

[ColinEssex]

What an educated person would say is, "The majority of Americans are a$$holes for voting for Bush", or "Generally, American's logic is confusing".

Strange to see the words "American" and "logic" in the same sentence - it's like saying "America" and "peace" - just doesn't quite fit together

Col

 

[Rich]

Surely even you must classify yourself as a moron if you seriously believe there is no evidence here on this forum that you hate everything American. .

You're using the exact logic and evidence that America uses to lock up human beings without a scrap of evidence in Gitmo, your so called evidence against me would be thrown out of any court where the judge has a brain, evidence that can be disproved with simple logic

So then you actually agree with me, you wanted us there earlier to help save you ...

Here is a scan of an American poster printed in America by Americans during the early 1940s , I rest my case

 

[GaryPanic]

Guys can we calm this down


Rich/Colin 95% of your posts are anti american.. this is just yank bashing - and not really objectice

i cannot stand Tony Blair - but, the guys from the states do not label me as a Tony Blair fan.
not can you label all americans Bush lovers, considering that a large percentage did not vote for him.

Now I don't like Bush and he's an arse, but I would never label all americans as bush lovers.
each society has its fair share of idiots (US/UK/Europe etc)

but to use these people as the benchmark to judge the rest of the country is not objective.

America has its problems and I could harp on about them, but equally the UK has similar problems, its easy to poke holes in soeones shortcoming (America ) but to do it objectively you need to be able to say we alos have this problems or we don't according to what view you are looking at .


America is such a large country that to be honest those in the north are different fromt hose in the South , it would be like treating the Norweigina and comparing them to the Spanish.

you just cannot do it objectively - different climates breed different views on life etc.


However this does not mean that the US can get away scotch free, America has bullied other nations , and has disrespect for their views and legal systems, which has lead to a lot of bad feeling about america.
the view that comes out of the US is that they are the only nation that has a free society - which is complete rubbish, no nation has complete freedom.
nor is america the free-est (neither is the UK) .

but it likes to think it is and really can rub people up the wrong way
both Rich and Colin are not stupid, they can and have proved that they are both intelligent people , and with strong views (some of which I agree with but not with such conviction, and some i disagree with ) this does not stop them help me and /or others on this forum . irresepctive of their nationality

i ramble

g

 

[Rich]

Rich/Colin 95% of your posts are anti american.. g

So with over 25k posts over 22,000 of them would have to be anti-American or to use American logic here "hateful of America and Americans".

 

[statsman]

Rich:
When it comes to the US you are a bigot. Your anti-US rants are too numerous to count. You hijack every post on the Water Cooler and the Political/Current Events forums and turn them into anti US tirades.
I'm staggered that people still rise to your baiting. I generally just ignore you since you treat every attempt to correct you into a personal attack.
It's getting boring.

 

[GaryPanic]

Rich- where every there is a chance to have a poke at the Yanks, yes I think I can say the percentages are about right.

I have not seen many positve responses on "the aemricans" - now i may be unfair/unjustified on this - but it is nearly always a negative that we poke at , (i include myself on this ) - do we post about a positve thing that the the american do

as an example - we all flow off the handle with Paris Hilton getting out of jail .

but did we commend the judge for putting her back in, I made a passing reference to this, but this was overshadowed by "look at how corrupt the systems is double standard etc"
where the vast majority of Americaians were equally enraged over this.

Now nothing was said about George Michael getting commmunity service instead of being banged up, yes slightly different situtation , but not that different should GM have got sentanced might have been a differnt thread
as george is know for his recreation drug abuse .

again I ramble

Looking at this from an objective view - coudl you count how many times you have posted a positive view or agreed on an american view against the negative

Now you cannot real say that everything the Yanks do is wrong,negative.. and yes there are things that the US should be doing or being a more active member to supporting etc. but there seems to be little room for acknowledging the postive.

Great advacnes in technolgoy are being made in the US (Califonria) with regards to solar panels - which will help with green issues -
so indirectly the US is help there . they are on catch up with wave power, and are doing lots with wind power.-- but this isn't praised

not all of american can use al of these resoruces - ie some states don't have a coast line - so howe can they use this ..
i know the above deviates fromt he core of the subject , but it does show that the US is not the devils child (Bush might be, but not the vast majority of Us citizens)

For the Americans - aplogises for using the term Yanks - just parapharing

 

[ColinEssex]

Rich:
When it comes to the US you are a bigot. Your anti-US rants are too numerous to count. You hijack every post on the Water Cooler and the Political/Current Events forums and turn them into anti US tirades.
I'm staggered that people still rise to your baiting. I generally just ignore you since you treat every attempt to correct you into a personal attack.
It's getting boring.

There was a US poster the other day who said that if he disagreed strongly with the President doing something (like invading somewhere) he would still support the President's decision if he went ahead and did it.

That flawed logic is exactly why the USA is in the mess it is - the President knows he has free reign over the senate (he can veto things) and he also know that the blind loyalty of the people will give him support - and when you have a religious warmongering gun lover in power, the whole world suffers because the US people can't bring themselves to bringing down a President. Its stupid.

Then the US posters here whinge on about taking a bit of flack? sort out the mess, there are 300,000,000 of you - why can't you bring down one man?

Col

 

[GaryPanic]

Colin - I remember this one, and on this I total agreed with you on it

but this was 1 individual and evne some of the other americans agreed with the jist of what you wee saying

eventually we came down to (it was to do with the iraq war in the end) was although we support the soliders - the polictics that got them there we disagree with.

there was a discussion that Joe - i think was the orginal poster had been brought up to support the leader of the USA and also being ex military and from a miltiary family would have a slightly different view on this- (not a critisim of Joe on this - so please don't take it as one).

but straight away it came back as brainwashing - which may be partically true .

as to the President having Veto over everything - i am sure the senate, would remove the president from power if he did this too much ,as they ultimately hold the purse strings and can refuse funding- but Colin i think that we are too removed from US policitics to make this assumption

It would be like saying the queen can dissolve parilament at her whimm, techinically she can, legally she can - but the cost would be her adication and possibley making the UK in to a republic -

she would need the house of lords to support her etc

i ramble