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KenHigg said:
3. What part of this wonderful language did I screw up this time? :eek: :p

>sigh<
Firstly you didn't address us as Sir
secondly Like all us European immigrants isn't very good grammar, is it?
thirdly, no that's enough for you to be getting on with at the minute :p
 
Rich said:
Firstly you didn't address us as Sir
secondly Like all us European immigrants isn't very good grammar, is it?
thirdly, no that's enough for you to be getting on with at the minute :p

1. Hold your breath till I do. :D
2. Like all of us European immigrants (?)
3. Whew... :eek: :p
 
KenHigg said:
1. Hold your breath till I do. :D
I would also suggest that you tug your forelock when addressing us but then you'd end up pulling your wig off, so we'll let you off for now :p
 
KenHigg said:
2. Like all of us European immigrants (?)
I would have thought "like we Europeans", but I can't be more specific because for all I know your ancestors might have arrived from mumbo jumbo land :D
 
I'm guessing the wigs, the sir's and the tugging is all part of the titular culture stuff you're also required to 'master' :p
 
KenHigg said:
I'm guessing the wigs, the sir's and the tugging is all part of the titular culture stuff you're also required to 'master' :p
No it's only a requirement for the peasants these days :cool:
 
KenHigg said:
Back to the topic...

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/11/08/france.riots/index.html

This is just a thought, has anyone else felt that some of this is an in-direct result of their complacent attitude...

Just a thought :o

The French, or the immigrants complacent attitude....
The native French always have a very strong national identity, and fight to stay "French", that may have something todo with it. i.e it has alienated those non-native French...
Whilst in Britain if you have any national pride the PC brigade will have you. Hence one London borough has "Winter Lights" not Christmas lights. That will stop any riots...
 
msp said:
Whilst in Britain if you have any national pride the PC brigade will have you. Hence one London borough has "Winter Lights" not Christmas lights. That will stop any riots...
And of course thanks to our glorious membership of the European Human Rights kids can now wear whatever uniform they like to school on religious
grounds, I wonder what the Jedi knights will wear to school? :rolleyes:
 
Interesting...I would have thought our European counterparts would have some kind of insight into the social roots of this event. Instead the discussion seems to be rather superficial.
 
Kraj said:
Interesting...I would have thought our European counterparts would have some kind of insight into the social roots of this event. Instead the discussion seems to be rather superficial.

We may be in Europe and adjacent but the British and the French have never been known for our understanding of each other. So our views will always be superficial. ;)

In all honesty I believe the roots of this problem are many. I do have French friends, but I have not spoken to them since the riots started to get their thoughts.

However I am aware that The north African and Muslim minorities are slightly separate from mainstream French society and the poorer sections have not really integrated at all are feel victimised by French society. For example over the summer there were several fires in the poorer parts of Paris killing a number of immigrants. This was apparently due to the poor conditions they where living in. Perhaps more importantly the opportunities open to them may not be as great as native French even those with collage degrees finding it hard to get a job due to perceived racial reasons. (I am not sure how true this is but if a section of society perceives that it is being discriminated against sections of them will get angry). .

France had a large social budget and this has been heavily reduced over the last few years. On top of that the French economy has suffered for the past five years. The the poor (mainly ethnic groups) who have taken the brunt of both these changes. There is also the perceived problem of Islam in France which is a secular state. For example within the school system Muslim girls are not allowed to ware headscarf, as this is perceived a overtly religious symbol (a crucifix is ok as long as it can be worn inside the uniform. This has created small amount of tension on both sides.

However it also seems to be large amount of French culture to protest and strike when things are not going well – take French farmers for example.
 
msp said:
For example within the school system Muslim girls are not allowed to ware headscarf, as this is perceived a overtly religious symbol (a crucifix is ok as long as it can be worn inside the uniform. This has created small amount of tension on both sides.

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They actually have the right idea here, their argument is that those who want to wear religious uniform should attend religious schools and not state ones.
 
Rich said:
They actually have the right idea here, their argument is that those who want to wear religious uniform should attend religious schools and not state ones.

Agreed, just dont try to use vouchers. A very far right idea.
 
Rich said:
They actually have the right idea here, their argument is that those who want to wear religious uniform should attend religious schools and not state ones.

Then who decides what constitutes a religious allusion?
 
“We’ll Always have Paris” woops wrong thread.
 
KenHigg said:
Then who decides what constitutes a religious allusion?
Do you think Christians could go to Muslim countries and tell them how to run the place?
 
Rich said:
They actually have the right idea here, their argument is that those who want to wear religious uniform should attend religious schools and not state ones.

Separate schools increase the divide, people should mix from a young age, ALL children should attend state schools and learn to live with each other, learning about each others life styles etc. They might come to realise that their religious leaders are only in it for power.

Brian
 
Rich said:
Do you think Christians could go to Muslim countries and tell them how to run the place?

You didn't answer Ken's question.

Brian
 

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