Pope banning gays

[jsanders]

Ye s

So how much does your brain weigh?

 

[Rich]

So how much does your brain weigh?

Irrelevant and please don't post the same question twice

 

[jsanders]

Irrelevant and please don't post the same question twice

Well the relevant part of it is this. Since you’re going to be obtuse; I guess I’ll have to spell it out for you.

If you can formulate thought in that feeble carbon based, mostly empty space, filled with water head of yours, then one can only imagine what kind of entity lived in the pure mass and energy of the prier big bang.

We’ve had this discussion before; I think someone would have a serious lack of imagination, to not be able to concede at least the possibility of that existence.

 

[Rich]

If you can formulate thought in that feeble carbon based, mostly empty space, filled with water head of yours, then one can only imagine what kind of entity lived in the pure mass and energy of the prier big bang.

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I've had numerous big bangs jose, which one did you have in mind?

 

[seth_belgium]

I realise this is leading us extremely far away off-topic, but what the hell...

Forget about me being a zealot (thanks for learning me a new word in English btw ), I do respect other people's beliefs. But what I do like to do is to debate with people who believe in God. It's just such a fascinating matter.

The thing with a God-person, or God-like entity, that I don't understand is this:
How can 1 person/being/entity/... create the entire universe (if there is only one, even that isn't sure) with it's billions and billions of galaxies, even more stars in it, countless planets, and at least one of those planets inhabited with countless billions of life-forms.

How did he do it, and why? For his amusement? Because he was bored?

I cannot grasp the fact. The scientist in me just cannot grasp that...

What do I think has caused this? I have to support Rich on this one, I do believe in the Big Bang. For me this means: An infinite amount of matter, pulled together by it's gigantic mass to an infinitely small amount of space (i.e. black holes) exploded in a never-before seen burst of pure energy. Out of that primal energy the first stars formed, rocks colliding with each other formed the first planets. This went on for billions of years.

Then, by pure coincidence, a fluke of nature let's say, one of those planets formed in an orbit around a young star called Sol. The conditions on this planet turned out to be ideal for life to develop. At first as a fragile, very simple organism in the oceans. Later after millions of years of evolution life moved to the land on that planet we call Earth. The rest of the story we know I think...

So that's why I'm having difficulties to believe in a God... In my opinion, religion was created by humans to explain the things they couldn't understand, like thunder, lightning, fire, death, and so on. Later, religion was abused by people with power to control the masses. They started making commandments, laws as you might call them (thy shalt not...).

Everyone is free to believe what they want. But this is my belief. One thing is for sure, when we die, we'll know the answer and know who was right!

 

[KenHigg]

If this truely interests you, here is a good read:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0385418868/104-6390420-9160731?v=glance&n=283155

 

[jsanders]

I'm a big fan of Joseph Cambell he did a series on PBS

 

[seth_belgium]

If this truely interests you, here is a good read:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0385418868/104-6390420-9160731?v=glance&n=283155

Thx! I'll take a look at that.

 

[Vassago]

Do I come across as a "she?"

 

[Rich]

Do I come across as a "she?"

It's the way you walk

 

[ColinEssex]

What does it matter / who cares how the universe was created? no-ones going to know for sure so its an unanswerable question.

Surely, it would be better to focus on the problems currently besetting mankind.

Col

 

[Rich]

Amen, now brethren, kneel and let us play

 

[skea]

Amen, now brethren, kneel and let us play

But dont bend please

 

[Rich]

But dont bend please

I can see where you're coming from

 

[skea]

Which kind of telescope could that be?

 

[Bat17]

: An infinite amount of matter, pulled together by it's gigantic mass to an infinitely small amount of space (i.e. black holes) exploded in a never-before seen burst of pure energy.

Surley this had to be a finite amount of matter or the would have been no space? and it still begs the question of where the initial matter comes from? spontaneous creation from nothing?

Peter

 

[Rich]

it still begs the question of where the initial matter comes from? spontaneous creation from nothing?

Peter

using the same criteria, where then did God come from?

 

[KenHigg]

Four Religious Truths:

1. Muslims do not recognize Jews as God's chosen people.

2. Jews do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah.

3. Protestants do not recognize the Pope as the leader of the
Christian World.

4. Baptists do not recognize each other at Hooters.

 

[Bat17]

each are beyond proof but "Spontaneous Creation" is more scientific the "Godly Creation"

Peter

 

[Rich]

each are beyond proof but "Spontaneous Creation" is more scientific the "Godly Creation"

Peter

but spontaneous creation can be seen and thus proven