Republicans Vs. Democrats

[Kraj]

Although it's much harder to gauge, I think it's more important to elect an official with good leadership skills and good decision-making ability. I can honestly say I'd rather have my senators, for example, vote against a bill that supports an issue I believe in for the right reasons than vote for something I believe in for the wrong reasons.

Ideally, I'd want to elect someone I can trust to make a good decision whether or not I agree with it, because I know I'll never have the amount of information they will have, or fully appreciate the political implications, etc.

 

[selenau837]

Although it's much harder to gauge, I think it's more important to elect an official with good leadership skills and good decision-making ability. I can honestly say I'd rather have my senators, for example, vote against a bill that supports an issue I believe in for the right reasons than vote for something I believe in for the wrong reasons.

Ideally, I'd want to elect someone I can trust to make a good decision whether or not I agree with it.

That does make sense. Since joining the forum, I have really tried to stop and listen to those who are campaigning, so see what they stand for and believe in. I have stopped looking at what party they are in. However I do find myself more and more leaning toward the Republican party more than Democratic party. I guess that means I believe in the same things they do.

 

[Rich]

Well, as you know I have a few things I HATE about the Democrats,

Gun control, gay marriage, caring for the less fortunate?

 

[selenau837]

Gun control, gay marriage, caring for the less fortunate?

I believe in gun control, just not complete removal of the rights--Agrees with Republican beliefs.

I believe gay marriage should be allowed--that goes against the Republican beliefs.

Making those who can take care of themselves. -- Agrees with the Republican beliefs.

Death Penalty, for it---Agrees with the Republican beliefs.

Abortion--belief is should be allowed but for certain reason, and done in a hospital setting--Goes against Democratic beliefs AND Republican beliefs.

So far, I am more for the Repbulican party than the Democratic party.

 

[Rich]

But your current Republican leader has allowed a free for all on gun ownership, tell me, would you still believe in un-restricted gun ownership if one of your girls had been caught up in say, Columbine ?

 

[Kraj]

I believe in gun control, just not complete removal of the rights--Agrees with Republican beliefs.

Actually, this is more in line with Democrat beliefs. The Democratic party as a whole is not interested in completely removing the right to own a gun, they are interested in restricting the right whenever (they believe) it's necessary in order to increase public safety. The Republicans, on the other hand, tend to oppose any law that restricts gun ownership in any way.

Personally, I can't stand guns but I also don't see any evidence whatsoever that suggests gun control laws do anything to make the general public safer, so I side with the Reps on that one.

 

[KenHigg]

But your current Republican leader has allowed a free for all on gun ownership, tell me, would you still believe in un-restricted gun ownership if one of your girls had been caught up in say, Columbine ?

a. We do not have un-restricted gun ownership
b. The guns were not the root of the problem in Columbine

 

[msp]

b. The guns were not the root of the problem in Columbine

But I presume it made it easier for the two kids concerned to reek such havoc.
I understand it is not the gun that kill it is the persom behind it, but the gun makes it much easier to kill...

 

[KenHigg]

But I presume it made it easier for the two kids concerned to reek such havoc.
I understand it is not the gun that kill it is the persom behind it, but the gun makes it much easier to kill...

And if I were ever close to such a tragedy, who knows, I may sell my guns... There are more important things in life...

 

[ColinEssex]

I understand it is not the gun that kill it is the persom behind it, but the gun makes it much easier to kill...

Thats true. The person must have an inner urge to kill, whether it be humans or little Bambi's as long as they kill something then they are happy I suppose - and sod the consequencies

Col

 

[KenHigg]

Thats true. The person must have an inner urge to kill, whether it be humans or little Bambi's as long as they kill something then they are happy I suppose - and sod the consequencies

Col

So if I have no problem killing a deer, I should have no problem killing a human?

 

[ColinEssex]

So if I have no problem killing a deer, I should have no problem killing a human?

I wouldn't know - you tell me, you're the one that kills things with a gun

Col

 

[msp]

Thats true. The person must have an inner urge to kill, whether it be humans or little Bambi's as long as they kill something then they are happy I suppose - and sod the consequencies

Col

That is not quite true, I have a freind who used to to taget shooting in the UK with a pistol, was very good.But had to give it all up when it becaome illigal to own a handgun. (even at gun clubs).

Whilst I am sure the almost fanatical support of gun ownership and liberal gun ownership laws in some quaters of the US causes alot of the gun crime in the US. I not sure that in the UK the almost fanatical anti gun movement and laws is not the correct solution.

 

[KenHigg]

I wouldn't know - you tell me, you're the one that kills things with a gun

Col

Sounded like you knew two seconds ago when you said:

The person must have an inner urge to kill, whether it be humans or little Bambi's as long as they kill something then they are happy

 

[Bodisathva]

Whilst I am sure the almost fanatical support of gun ownership and liberal gun ownership laws in some quaters of the US causes alot of the gun crime in the US. I not sure that in the UK the almost fanatical anti gun movement and laws the the correct solution.

FYI:
In 2003 there were 6,328,000 car accidents in the US. There were 2.9 million injuries and 42,643 people were killed in auto accidents...guns killed 30,136.
You will also find that the majority of weapons used in crimes are neither the property of the perpetrator, nor were they obtained legally...

Fanatical? ...you watch to much TV

 

[msp]

FYI:
In 2003 there were 6,328,000 car accidents in the US. There were 2.9 million injuries and 42,643 people were killed in auto accidents...guns killed 30,136.
You will also find that the majority of weapons used in crimes are neither the property of the perpetrator, nor were they obtained legally...

Fanatical? ...you watch to much TV

Fanitical what meant to said was in some quaters, I spent some time in Taxas. I had some some interesting convsations. I found a few individuals who found any sugestion of gun control almost akin to an attack on what it was to be american. So I meant the word to accross the whole of the US just some quaters.

 

[selenau837]

Actually, this is more in line with Democrat beliefs. The Democratic party as a whole is not interested in completely removing the right to own a gun, they are interested in restricting the right whenever (they believe) it's necessary in order to increase public safety. The Republicans, on the other hand, tend to oppose any law that restricts gun ownership in any way.

Personally, I can't stand guns but I also don't see any evidence whatsoever that suggests gun control laws do anything to make the general public safer, so I side with the Reps on that one.

I thought the Democrats wanted to remove the ability for citiziens to own guns. Hmmmm....

 

[Bodisathva]

Fanitical what I said was in some quaters, I spent some time in Taxas. I had some some interesting convsations. I found a few individuals who found any sugestion of gun control almost akin to an attack on what it was to be american. So I meant the word to accross the whole of the US just some quaters.

Technically, it is. The right to bear arms is a constitutionally given right specifically because it was one of the reasons we were able to rid ourselves of British Tyranny.

More to the point, I have always felt that there is something inherently dangerous about a government that fears it's own people enough to prohibit gun ownership.

I thought the Democrats wanted to remove the ability for citiziens to own guns.

Just to show I'm not trying to hijack...The Democrats have always placed more faith and emphasis on the people instead of big government and big business.

 

[ColinEssex]

Sounded like you knew two seconds ago when you said:

Look Ken, I'm a bit fed up with you always ducking the question I have absolutely no idea what its like to kill a deer or a human.

To me, killing something with a gun just satisfies some prehistoric lust for blood which is obviously still prevailent in your neck of the woods. Or is it 'redneck' of the woods.

You sit there in a little hide and wait to kill something - its barbaric.

I can only assume that its a very fine step to killing a human.

Americans have a love of only 3 things, money, cars and guns. Its the guns that entice people to kill

Col

 

[msp]

Technically, it is. The right to bear arms is a constitutionally given right specifically because it was one of the reasons we were able to rid ourselves of British Tyranny.

More to the point, I have always felt that there is something inherently dangerous about a government that fears it's own people enough to prohibit gun ownership.

Just to show I'm not trying to hijack...The Democrats have always placed more faith and emphasis on the people instead of big government and big business.

Whilst I understand that it is in the constitution (sort of) I still wonder if the if the people who wrote the consitution knew what problems it would mean down the line they would of still enshrined it so strongly..

It really was conversations, as simple as me remarking it was odd seeing guns guns at Wal-Mart for sale esp when they did not sell beer. (It was a dry county). Some of the guys seemed very defensive when I commented on this. I was more comenting of my my (British) perspective it is strange to see a supermarket selling guns, but the selling of beer in not allowed.

The second point you made it akin to the point I made in my original post, about the total banning of guns, or the almost fanitical anti-gun lobby we have in the UK, -mostly from the Labout party which is the UK equalivent of the Democrates.