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This YouTube demonstrates FSD Beta learning the ropes!
Well worth a look!
Well worth a look!
Tesla Full Self Driving is Nearly Here!
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This is a very relaxing video. Sit in with the driver as he drives to the flower shop to get some mother's Day flowers. All the while explaining to you the ins and outs of Tesla FSD in a very nice monologue. Well worth listening to.
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You’ve heard about the problems in San Francisco? Not a high percentage of journeys but a couple of examplestopping in the road due to fog causing a long tailback in both directions. Wouldn’t stop when approaching the scene of an accident.
and the cars have microphones so can listen in on your conversation.
sure they will sort it out in due course
and the cars have microphones so can listen in on your conversation.
sure they will sort it out in due course
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I can see it now... some drunken idiot drives into a Tesla that can't avoid the collision. Even though it won't be the Tesla car that caused the accident, the attorney will CRUCIFY the Tesla driver for not keeping his hands on the wheel and maintaining control of the vehicle. You KNOW it will happen.
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I still cannot see the purpose for self-driving cars. Why is so much money is being spent on these failed attempts I do not know. 'They' cannot get to a driverless train, let alone a car. If one of these cars is coming down the road and you happen to swing a bag out over the road. The car will emergency brake because it cannot differentiate between a swinging bag and a person stepping out. Kids delight in doing this and watching the cars behind slamming into the electric (clever) one. Already the cars' manufacturer knows where you are and where you go with most new cars and certainly the electric and hybrid types. Plus of course governments will pay high prices for that data if they need it.
But at present I cannot see where the advantage is in spending so much money on what looks to be a novelty feature. However, there must be an anticipation of recovering all the development costs. Plus of course massive ongoing profits that Big-Tech requires for spending those $Billions. That simultaneously many commercial companies are spending so much money over a novelty or some crazy dream is puzzling. There must be a huge payback benefit down the line.
Like the proposal to end landlines (in the UK) because the British government/civil service cannot access them easily. If there are only mobile (cell) phones, then every transaction and conversation is available for them to access. They are at present bringing in a new law to prevent Tech companies from using encryption! They claim it is needed to fight terrorists, which might be a ½ of 1%. The rest is invasion of privacy and control over the other 99½% of the population. Additionally. I just wonder how much global warming is caused by pointlessly storing the massive amount data to provide this control. Maybe just in case they need it but more likely some other reason. We are no doubt on the verge of some supadupa new 1984 world.
Maybe we should be all asking AI just what the hell is going on?
But at present I cannot see where the advantage is in spending so much money on what looks to be a novelty feature. However, there must be an anticipation of recovering all the development costs. Plus of course massive ongoing profits that Big-Tech requires for spending those $Billions. That simultaneously many commercial companies are spending so much money over a novelty or some crazy dream is puzzling. There must be a huge payback benefit down the line.
Like the proposal to end landlines (in the UK) because the British government/civil service cannot access them easily. If there are only mobile (cell) phones, then every transaction and conversation is available for them to access. They are at present bringing in a new law to prevent Tech companies from using encryption! They claim it is needed to fight terrorists, which might be a ½ of 1%. The rest is invasion of privacy and control over the other 99½% of the population. Additionally. I just wonder how much global warming is caused by pointlessly storing the massive amount data to provide this control. Maybe just in case they need it but more likely some other reason. We are no doubt on the verge of some supadupa new 1984 world.
Maybe we should be all asking AI just what the hell is going on?
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There's driverless trains running for some years in my city.
What proportion of your car(s) are spent parked? I'd guess and say on average more than 23 hours a day. With driverless cars, there would be no need to own a car. One could pick you up anywhere and take you where you want with no parking issues.
BTW, modern phone networks are just one big separate IP network with Britain having less routers less than the number of fingers you have. All phone traffic as in every single call made by land line or cell goes through one of these routers. Ending land lines is more because of diminishing demand and nothing to do with government surveillance.
What proportion of your car(s) are spent parked? I'd guess and say on average more than 23 hours a day. With driverless cars, there would be no need to own a car. One could pick you up anywhere and take you where you want with no parking issues.
BTW, modern phone networks are just one big separate IP network with Britain having less routers less than the number of fingers you have. All phone traffic as in every single call made by land line or cell goes through one of these routers. Ending land lines is more because of diminishing demand and nothing to do with government surveillance.
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Cronk, you make it sound like some socialist utopian dream. Our car improves our lives, giving us a freedom that is otherwise impossible.
A trip to town will take me 20 mins, on public transport it is 1½ hours. Car systems will be as long, or longer because of the wait and availability.
Your system by definition will require the involvement of many people and organisations. Everyone involved will require paying, increasing your costs year on year. Just as the tax and power costs of electric cars can only go higher to cover increased government involvement.
This system is put about a bit like the total fallacy of interest free borrowing. The claim that you can buy something over several years without any interest charges is simply a nonsense. The fact is that the interest has been added on at the start, before the product goes on sale. When you buy it the total debt is passed to a finance company who refund the seller the total, less their agreed interest and management charges. If I buy anything I'll just want to pay for it and that's the end of it. If the deal is interest free, then they want to charge me interest even though I'm paying in full at the point of sale. So if it is an interest free deal, then I'll want at least a 20% discount, or I'll walk and they lose a sale. Like I say, if someone else is involved, they'll want paying.
The the initial car cost plus ongoing software, management fees and maintenance, plus callout are all to be added. You are basically hiring a car. The costs of which will be higher than a taxi. So in your new socialist world how much for a day out? Say 50 miles away out in the sticks, miles from anywhere? And how good will it be if you finish your day out and a car isn't available for another two hours or more? Or possibly not even until tomorrow....and it is raining, super! Rest assured if your car doesn't appear you will not be able to speak to anyone about it, a robot will not provide as solution.
Just going to the supermarket will require you to book and wait to be taken. Then when you have your groceries, repeat. So the trip to the supermarket will become three hours or more instead of an hour to go and get back. Plus the car park will have to be totally redesigned to allow the necessary queueing system to work at busy times. But every minute of that trip you will have to pay for. Plus a car for one person will be a fraction of the price than for one for the whole family. What do you do if you want to drive around in a Merc or BMW and they send you a tiny Peugeot?
There are 36 million cars on the roads in England. Some in remote hamlets and some in cities. What series of conglomerates responsible for the socialist car will be able to manage that. Plus, government will be heavily involved and we all know that everything governments' are involved in are a dog's breakfast. This is then all in the tight grip of the FANGS, who are in the main, often socialist dictatorships. It couldn't be worse.
In the real world it is simply not practical and is a total nonsense to imagine that it is. It really hasn't been thought through, or it's a huge con. Which I think it is.
A trip to town will take me 20 mins, on public transport it is 1½ hours. Car systems will be as long, or longer because of the wait and availability.
Your system by definition will require the involvement of many people and organisations. Everyone involved will require paying, increasing your costs year on year. Just as the tax and power costs of electric cars can only go higher to cover increased government involvement.
This system is put about a bit like the total fallacy of interest free borrowing. The claim that you can buy something over several years without any interest charges is simply a nonsense. The fact is that the interest has been added on at the start, before the product goes on sale. When you buy it the total debt is passed to a finance company who refund the seller the total, less their agreed interest and management charges. If I buy anything I'll just want to pay for it and that's the end of it. If the deal is interest free, then they want to charge me interest even though I'm paying in full at the point of sale. So if it is an interest free deal, then I'll want at least a 20% discount, or I'll walk and they lose a sale. Like I say, if someone else is involved, they'll want paying.
The the initial car cost plus ongoing software, management fees and maintenance, plus callout are all to be added. You are basically hiring a car. The costs of which will be higher than a taxi. So in your new socialist world how much for a day out? Say 50 miles away out in the sticks, miles from anywhere? And how good will it be if you finish your day out and a car isn't available for another two hours or more? Or possibly not even until tomorrow....and it is raining, super! Rest assured if your car doesn't appear you will not be able to speak to anyone about it, a robot will not provide as solution.
Just going to the supermarket will require you to book and wait to be taken. Then when you have your groceries, repeat. So the trip to the supermarket will become three hours or more instead of an hour to go and get back. Plus the car park will have to be totally redesigned to allow the necessary queueing system to work at busy times. But every minute of that trip you will have to pay for. Plus a car for one person will be a fraction of the price than for one for the whole family. What do you do if you want to drive around in a Merc or BMW and they send you a tiny Peugeot?
There are 36 million cars on the roads in England. Some in remote hamlets and some in cities. What series of conglomerates responsible for the socialist car will be able to manage that. Plus, government will be heavily involved and we all know that everything governments' are involved in are a dog's breakfast. This is then all in the tight grip of the FANGS, who are in the main, often socialist dictatorships. It couldn't be worse.
In the real world it is simply not practical and is a total nonsense to imagine that it is. It really hasn't been thought through, or it's a huge con. Which I think it is.
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That are driverless trains in the UK as well.
I understand the main impediment to driverless trains, is that the unions do not want to give up the jobs.
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This will come about in the very near future!
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Google started developing a self-driving car years ago and I blogged about it in 2013 on blogger here:-
goodgodgoogle.blogspot.com
I thought Google would succeed, but they drop the ball and Elon musk has picked it up!
Extract from blogger:-
Autonomous Robots
As I have hinted upon the application to the domestic and industrial robot, particularly in the domestic environment this will require some advancement in miniaturization (Reduce from Car platform to Robot Platform) which as we are all well aware of are on the way. Further miniaturization will enable the technology to enter into the drone arena making drones autonomous and opening up exploration opportunities, mapping, inspection of structures, crop management, policing security, military uses.
Autonomous Drones, Subs,...
I can envisage the drone like technology moving into underwater autonomous vehicles which then open up access to vast mineral and biological resources, not to mention the possibility of historical discoveries. At some stage depending on the economics of weight/mass and miniaturization of the components this technology will make its way into space, again there is a vast potential for exploration, finding mineral resources and possibly other discoveries.
Disruptive Technology?
Self driving cars lead to self driving lorries and self driving trains.
Gatwick Airport's £45m shuttle link opens in Sussex (Driver-less Shuttle Service)
Think London underground and what effect autonomous driving will have on the unions! This is just at its simplest level I cannot begin to imagine what will happen when we have autonomous robots
The amazing Google Car
You may well ask as I did why on earth Google are spending time and money creating a self driving car? My first Conclusion: Well it is an...
goodgodgoogle.blogspot.com
I thought Google would succeed, but they drop the ball and Elon musk has picked it up!
Extract from blogger:-
Autonomous Robots
As I have hinted upon the application to the domestic and industrial robot, particularly in the domestic environment this will require some advancement in miniaturization (Reduce from Car platform to Robot Platform) which as we are all well aware of are on the way. Further miniaturization will enable the technology to enter into the drone arena making drones autonomous and opening up exploration opportunities, mapping, inspection of structures, crop management, policing security, military uses.
Autonomous Drones, Subs,...
I can envisage the drone like technology moving into underwater autonomous vehicles which then open up access to vast mineral and biological resources, not to mention the possibility of historical discoveries. At some stage depending on the economics of weight/mass and miniaturization of the components this technology will make its way into space, again there is a vast potential for exploration, finding mineral resources and possibly other discoveries.
Disruptive Technology?
Self driving cars lead to self driving lorries and self driving trains.
Gatwick Airport's £45m shuttle link opens in Sussex (Driver-less Shuttle Service)
Think London underground and what effect autonomous driving will have on the unions! This is just at its simplest level I cannot begin to imagine what will happen when we have autonomous robots
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100% correct in Britain. In fact I'm not sure if even now they still have firemen. I'm pretty sure that in the 1980s the unions insisted on keeping firemen and maybe later. I understand there are still guards but could be wrong. Lenin was a fireman, so little surprise that the commies and friends of Russia in the union wanted to keep them.
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