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I'm thinking that it is really too bad that Biden and John Kerry were rescued when their helicopter grounded in Taliban territory in a snowstorm due to visibility back when they were both Senators. If we had let him rot the way he has let Americans and our Afghan allies rot, we wouldn't be in this position today. What do you say Joe?

We have some number of planes sent by American Citizens to rescue people the Biden government didn't think were worth saving grounded because the Taliban wants ransom. Who's going to pay the ransom? Will we be sending pallets of cash to the Taliban just like those we sent to Iran?

Why is Biden not on trial for Treason? How much did he get from China to arm the Taliban and leave all our bases intact for the Chines to occupy? Did he really have to leave citizens there also? Weren't the first two enough?
 

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there goes Steve ripping on the democrats again. =)
How is repeating their lies "ripping" on them. Did they or did they not, lie? Did Biden arm the Taliban and leave Americans to be ransomed or did he not?
 

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I'm just pointing something out Pat. that's all.
You are offering an opinion that you think Steve is somehow wrong or perhaps Bongino is lying. You might want to be more like Trump - Say what you mean and mean what you say. You may disagree with the assertions of Bongino but I think the montage was actual video so are you saying the people whose lips are moving aren't really saying what they are saying? Or are you saying that you actually agree with their assertion that our exit from Afghanistan was "successful". We didn't actually leave guns and bullets and trucks and planes behind and we didn't leave Americans and allies behind so the Taliban can use them as hostages to get pallets of money also.

Do you have any idea how pissed our allies are at us right now? We didn't even tell them what we were going to do so they got caught flat footed also and had to send in their own special opps teams to rescue their citizens. Did we do that? No we did not. We told our citizens and Afghan allies that we couldn't guarantee them safe passage to the airport. The Taliban was guarding the gates. Just who do you think they let through? Was it Americans or our Afghan allies? No, they were blocked. So who were the 100,000 people who made it on to planes? There were only 6,000 or so Americans in that number. I'm going to venture a guess that it was the people that the Taliban wanted to send to America. Why don't they ALL speak English if they were working with us? Can you spell Trojan Horse? Have you ever even heard the story of how Troy was overthrown? So in addition to arming the Taliban, giving the Chinese access to our secret technology, abandoning citizens and allies as hostages, we imported thousands of young military age men who don't speak English. What is wrong with this picture? Why is Biden not being accused of treason? Why can't we Court-Marshall the military leaders who allowed this to happen?
 

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maybe i will take a afghan refugee into my home. i have to think about it a lot, first. i'm willing, the question is am i able to keep up!
 

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just as I guessed.
Seems that your disclosing your "guess' is only after-the-fact. I guess that allows you to then claim 100% accuracy in your predictions. With that accuracy, have you gone to a local casino to make your $$$$$$$.
 

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With that accuracy, have you gone to a local casino to make your $$$$$$$.
I HAVE gone to casinos in the past, yes. but I think I'll forego this round even though my predictions, as you have said, are 100% accurate. he he
 

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To minimize the loss of Afghanistan, in terms of continued US surveillance for terrorist threats, the Biden administration claims to have "over the horizon capabilities". Really now,!! The Washington Post today contained a small article, that I could not fully read due to their paywall, that the Taliban requested that the US end the use of drones in Afghanistan's airspace. I was unable to find another article from another source to corroborate the Post's story. Nevertheless, this highlights an obvious truth, the Biden administration has no legitimate authority to fly into Afghanistan and surveil it (other than by satellite). Also, Biden's apparent belief that the US can dismiss another nations sovereignty is a display of massive arrogance. This contradicts Biden's public (lying) assertions that he complies with international norms. It can be assumed, that China, Russia, Iran, and perhaps Pakistan will be more than willing to assist the Taliban with shooting down any US drones should the US violate Afghanistan's airspace.
 
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Biden administration claims to have "over the horizon capabilities". Really now,!!
He's proven so far he can definitely send in drones and kill an innocent family or three.
 

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He's proven so far he can definitely send in drones and kill an innocent family or three.
Sorry for the quibble, but that happened on August 29th as the Taliban was gaining control of Afghanistan. So the US had a nominal (surveillance) presence at that time. By now, the Taliban should be pretty well entrenched, we are no longer there (officially), and the Taliban should now be in a position to request assistance from governments friendly to them.
 
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Sorry for the quibble, but that happened on August 29th as the Taliban was gaining control of Afghanistan. So the US had a nominal (surveillance) presence at that time. By now, the Taliban should be pretty well entrenched, we are no longer there (officially), and the Taliban should now be in a position to request assistance from governments friendly to them.
True, good point.

Honestly I know less than nothing about military equipment, so I don't really know what's possible. By this point it seems like things are so high tech they can be 'invisible' if they want as long as the enemy has "slightly lesser quality" equipment - but that's just a huge dumb generalization and the closest I come to knowing anything about it...so not really sure if the Taliban can shoot down our drones/missiles/whatever flying objects we have.
 

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The Department of Homeland Security on Tuesday denied U.S. landing rights for a charter plane carrying more than 100 Americans and U.S. green card holders evacuated from Afghanistan, organizers of the flight said.
This story has not gotten much traction, so it has not made the headlines. It is incredulous that the US State Department would block the ability of US citizens and those with green cards from returning to the US. The narrative in the article claiming that the people on the plane need to be vetted is patently absurd. The US just airlifted out thousands of Afghans with no vetting and who may not even have been eligible for extraction. Then there is the open US border where people are illegally entering this country with no vetting. Considering the ramped pettiness of the Biden administration, the Biden administration appears to be persecuting the people on the flight as if they were members of the evil Republican party.
 
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Nothing the administration says or does has to make any sense at all. Just think about Psaki's remarks on why it wasn't necessary to vaccinate the Haitians. - They're not going to be here very long - When I go to a restaurant or the gym "I'm not going to be there very long". And no one even challenged her.
 

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To minimize the loss of Afghanistan, in terms of continued US surveillance for terrorist threats, the Biden administration claims to have "over the horizon capabilities". Really now,!! The Washington Post today contained a small article, that I could not fully read due to their paywall, that the Taliban requested that the US end the use of drones in Afghanistan's airspace. I was unable to find another article from another source to corroborate the Post's story. Nevertheless, this highlights an obvious truth, the Biden administration has no legitimate authority to fly into Afghanistan and surveil it (other than by satellite). Also, Biden's apparent belief that the US can dismiss another nations sovereignty is a display of massive arrogance. This contradicts Biden's public (lying) assertions that he complies with international norms. It can be assumed, that China, Russia, Iran, and perhaps Pakistan will be more than willing to assist the Taliban with shooting down any US drones should the US violate Afghanistan's airspace.
This popped-up on 9/29/2021.
 

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This story has not gotten much traction, so it has not made the headlines. It is incredulous that the US State Department would block the ability of US citizens and those with green cards from returning to the US. The narrative in the article claiming that the people on the plane need to be vetted is patently absurd. The US just airlifted out thousands of Afghans with no vetting and who may not even have been eligible for extraction. Then there is the open US border where people are illegally entering this country with no vetting. Considering the ramped pettiness of the Biden administration, the Biden administration appears to be persecuting the people on the flight as if they were members of the evil Republican party.

I'm always a little curious about these stories where someone was 'denied' the right to land, or more interestingly to me, 'denied' the right to take off - in a plane they already had ready.

If I'm carrying 100's of people who are at the tail end of a sprint away from flying bullets and whips, I'm just puttin' it in gear and taking off, no matter what anyone says. If it's life or death it seems like you'd just land, too.

But I guess these airport pilot situations are more polite to each other than that. If they don't get some official clearance, they just feel they "can't" land, it seems curious to me, especially during those days when there was more desperation in the air.
 

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