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When I was young and in university, they obliged us to do and learn things that none of us needed or was interested in. I wanted to be a designer (which I am now), and I can remember it clear now. I had to pass a German class. Why on earth I need to to be able to say simple greetings in a language that not only I'm not interested in nor plan to use. As anyone can guess, I cheated and passed the term. Now 40 years has passed and I haven't used nor needed what I learned that time. Do you blame me for cheating?
You absolutely can call me lazy. But I don't think I've missed a thing by passing all those subjects that I had to pass and wasn't interested in by cheating or asking others to do it for me.
I have two sons, one has a PHD in quantum physics, the other has a PHD in math. You can't believe how they both hated what they tried to feed them while they were studying. History? Why a mathematician needs to know anything about something that happened 600 years ago in another country? Who has invented this stupid idea that a master degree in history needs learning Databases or programming? I know a relative that had to pass politic as a course when he was trying to be a dentist. Are those who make us to learn something that we are not interested in out of their mind?
I don't know about the OP. but I can definitely assure you the answer may be a big NO. Because for sure it's something that neither he's interested in, nor needs for his future.
Just my 2 cents.
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So, if the OP doesn't actually care, you are saying we should help him get a good grade anyway?
No, I don't say you SHOULD.
I just shared my 2 cents and my thought.
You have your beliefs which may be better than mine. Just follow your instincts and what you believe in.
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Hm. I thought you were justifying cheating on the basis that it didn't matter one way or the other whether he learned the material.
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@KitaYama I won't argue with your position but Access is not one of those throw-away classes. AND the only way to learn how to use Access is to actually build databases not get someone to build databases you can pass off as your own. No liberal arts major would have Access as a required course. So, this is either an elective or a 101 course for a technical degree. If it's an elective, the OP can afford to fail and probably should have chosen a course he was interested in. If the OP needs this course but doesn't understand the concepts of how to build an application, he will have more trouble with the higher level courses which will be using more complex technology. He also can't afford to fail.
PS, feel free to just jump right in and build a database that the student can pass of as his own. You are experienced enough to do this in a couple of hours. Your time has no value so you may as well work for free for the benefit of someone else.
Re the cheating: I wouldn't and by building the app for the op without him lifting a finger, I would be contributing to his cheating which I won't do. I'm sure there is even more cheating going on in colleges today than when you went. Clearly not all students at Harvard deserve an A but that seems to be the average grade. Either most are cheating or the professors don't bother reviewing the class work. they just hand out A's like candy. Looks like a degree from Harvard is even more meaningless than we thought. A Harvard degree will soon be a laughingstock. Sort of like a participation trophy.
PS, feel free to just jump right in and build a database that the student can pass of as his own. You are experienced enough to do this in a couple of hours. Your time has no value so you may as well work for free for the benefit of someone else.
Re the cheating: I wouldn't and by building the app for the op without him lifting a finger, I would be contributing to his cheating which I won't do. I'm sure there is even more cheating going on in colleges today than when you went. Clearly not all students at Harvard deserve an A but that seems to be the average grade. Either most are cheating or the professors don't bother reviewing the class work. they just hand out A's like candy. Looks like a degree from Harvard is even more meaningless than we thought. A Harvard degree will soon be a laughingstock. Sort of like a participation trophy.
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Yes, you are correct. I was justifying what all said. But was justifying it within myself. I didn't mean you or others are wrong. I just shared my feelings and how I feel and would behave. Never asked anyone to accept or follow it.
Thanks for the kind words.
I didn't ask you to. And I didn't expect you or others to do it for him.
For anyone who may have problems in my point of view, I just said I don't blame him for trying to get rid of something that he may have being obliged to do. I just said I HAVE DONE IT too because it was something that I didn't need.
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My apologies. Seems that I started it.
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That is the opinion of the AccessBlaster, not me. He's the one who thinks some expert should have jumped in and built the app for the lazy student.
Required courses were required courses. There really wasn't any escape. I was also required to study a language. So, I picked the easiest language I thought I could get by with which was Spanish. I've been to Mexico and Spain and managed to get through very low level conversations and I can still make some sense of written stuff but that's more due to my use of the dictionary before spell checker where I got familiar with many Latin roots and that helps to decipher Spanish. German would have been much harder because there is less overlap with Latin and Greek roots and so all those years of reading the dictionary wouldn't have helped. Mandarin would have been hard work given that there would be nothing in common with English so the only reason to take Mandarin would be because you reallllllly wanted to learn Mandarin and in that case, you wouldn't be looking to escape assignments.
There was the occasional class where the subject wasn't of particular interest so I didn't exert myself. In Biology, I let my lab partner play with the scalpel and I did the notes even though we were supposed to trade off.
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Noooooo. I started it earlier today.My apologies. Seems that I started it.
BTW, I do appreciate all of our experts they do a great job!My point was if he wasn't going to get help here, maybe try another approach. Again apologies I didn't mean to offend anyone.
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For me, a foreign language was required. I took German. When I got into grad school, I actually used it once I picked a mentor professor, because I was delving into aqueous solutions of metal ions. Long story, it was useful if you were studying certain metal alloy additives OR if you were studying oil-based metallic paints. (See, for example, Vanadium Yellow and Molybdenum Blue.) Turns out that most of the research in metal ion solutions was either in French or German. My French wasn't good enough to speak it, but I could read technical articles. My German was good enough to read tech stuff as well, so I actually used my German until I graduated.
But grad school also required another language. I was about ready to go crazy and take French when I found that there was a loophole. The 2nd language could be a computer language. So I implemented an assembly language plotting subroutine callable from any scientific language. It's main purpose was to drive a pen-and-paper flat-bed plotter to do scientific graphs in linear, logarithmic, and polar coordinate systems. The committee approved the project so I wrote up the formal documentation and presented it to my major professors and a couple of folks from the computer science department. The CSCI folks IMMEDIATELY said, "We will put this in our utility library." Got an A+ on the project, which meant my extra language was covered. The CSCI folks used it for at least another 8 to 10 years after I graduated. So I didn't actually cheat - but I did find a bypass. I don't feel bad, though, because I did honor the requirements including a workable program that others could use.
But grad school also required another language. I was about ready to go crazy and take French when I found that there was a loophole. The 2nd language could be a computer language. So I implemented an assembly language plotting subroutine callable from any scientific language. It's main purpose was to drive a pen-and-paper flat-bed plotter to do scientific graphs in linear, logarithmic, and polar coordinate systems. The committee approved the project so I wrote up the formal documentation and presented it to my major professors and a couple of folks from the computer science department. The CSCI folks IMMEDIATELY said, "We will put this in our utility library." Got an A+ on the project, which meant my extra language was covered. The CSCI folks used it for at least another 8 to 10 years after I graduated. So I didn't actually cheat - but I did find a bypass. I don't feel bad, though, because I did honor the requirements including a workable program that others could use.
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I was required to have two years of a non-English language for my Masters in English. I choose German and struggled through the first year. Then I met my future wife, who is Venezuelan, and began to learn Spanish. I petitioned to take the second year of my two year language requirement in Spanish instead. My grades were much better because I had a full-time tutor.
But on a more serious note, university study used to be based on the assumption that one would be exposed to a wide array of experiences and knowledge, arts, history, even philosophy, in addition to the core subject of your major. At some point, the socio-cultural aspects of a university education were devalued to the point where we now have college graduates (at least in the US) who don't know what happened in their own country prior to the invention of the internet. We repeat historical blunders without even knowing we are doing so.
And, yes, I also yell at kids about staying off my lawn.
But on a more serious note, university study used to be based on the assumption that one would be exposed to a wide array of experiences and knowledge, arts, history, even philosophy, in addition to the core subject of your major. At some point, the socio-cultural aspects of a university education were devalued to the point where we now have college graduates (at least in the US) who don't know what happened in their own country prior to the invention of the internet. We repeat historical blunders without even knowing we are doing so.
And, yes, I also yell at kids about staying off my lawn.
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Nearly two-thirds of US young adults unaware 6m Jews killed in the Holocaust
According to survey of adults 18-39, 23% said they believed the Holocaust was a myth, had been exaggerated or they weren’t sure
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I am not sitting through an advert that takes over 3 minutes.
Does it make their lives any better if they knew?
Nearly two-thirds of US young adults unaware 6m Jews killed in the Holocaust
I didn't know that, but if knowing how many jews were killed makes my life and my society better, I'll start reading history books.
Personally I think their low level of capability in math, physics, chemistry is much more critical and has more impact in their lives, than their level of knowledge in history. If for any reason someday I gain the power, I work more on scientific aspects.
Again just what I think. You may think different and be happy that I won't have that power ever.
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