The Qur'an

I have to agree, I neither have patience like @The_Doc_Man nor the intelligence like him.
I am taking a retirement from this thread.
English is not primary language, am trying find meaning of the verb 'searching needle in a hey stack'
 
since so many people have said that they're now bowing out, I hope to see a bunch of posts from aziz preaching to the thin air. =)
 
There are some rather stunning encodings of numbers to words and characters that authenticate the accuracy of the English translation and overall approval of Gods signature throughout the scriptures as it pertains to the King James version of the bible. In the referenced video the analysis derives a special number pattern of 17/23 in both the very first verse of the bible and the last verse of the bible. The all stems from the fact that God is the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. This is explained in the video but if you count the number of letters in the first verse Gen 1:1(KJV), there are 44 letters. The last verse of the New Testament Rev 22:21 also has 44 letters in it. You can check how many times this occurs in the bible and you might be surprised to find how rare it is. There is no other verse in the entire book of Revelations that has 44 letters in it, let alone landing on the very last verse of the bible!




So where does the 17/27 come from? That comes from an examination of the ratio of vowels to consonants in those very same verses. There are exactly 17 vowels and 27 consonants in both the first verse of the bible and last verse of the bible. But what could that possibly mean?

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If you look further into this 17/27 algorithm, you discover that 17 and 27 corresponds to the first and last days of Noah's flood.

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Now it goes on to point out that those same verses show the first 17 letters Gen 1:1 points directly to God. Then the last 27 letters of Rev 22:21 show Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. Further confirmation of 17/27 shows that last verse pointing to Jesus using 27 letters. So the number 17 is associated with the beginning and Jesus is associated with the end. But wait, isn't God the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End?

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We all know that God's plainly obvious number is 7 and how that was arrived at is plain to anyone who has read it. I'm not going over that. If you go to the 777th chapter of the bible you arrive at Jeremiah 32, and lo and behold there is that number 17 again but this time spelled out as seventeen. This was the 17 shekels of silver that
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Now count how many verses are in that chapter, you get 44 verses!!! It's starting to look like God's way of putting his coded signature on his word. In the picture below, there is number 7 by way of counting the letters in the first and last words of each of the two verses together. They are both 7 letters. This is where things really get interesting. The word Amen capitalized shows up exactly 77 times in the bible. The word "in" case insensitive shows up exactly 777 times in the two books Genesis and Revelation.

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He is using a digital version which makes it easy to explore for these types of patterns obviously. When he put God and Jesus in there filtering on both books. The resulting occurrences is 343. What's special about 343? That's 7 cubed! Which leads right back to, you guessed it, 777. If you watch the video at around the 17 minute mark, he goes over the filters that correlated to the number 77777 which go through the entire bible using the first and last words of each of the key verses.

I am aware of the apparent contradictions that are in the bible. We all look at the world through our own eye's and have our own world view of what it means to us individually. In other words, we all have our own filters we put on so as not to upset our world view or belief system. As Galaxiom said earlier, the tendency to throw out what doesn't fit our world view is almost automatic. This is easy to see in others, but very difficult to be introspective on one's own filtered views. Clearly, if you look for contradictions or typo's in any book, you will find some because that is what you set out to do. Plus, you don't want to find out that the bible is without error and realize Muslims have got only part of the message and are missing out on the most relevant message for today's time period. Looking for contradictions and finding them makes it easier for you to just ignore the main message that has been codified by God himself through his Holy Spirit. This is very clear to those who have read through both the old and new testaments. Beware of false prophets is something each person has to do for themselves. Test the spirit that it is true to the word.

As far as the 4 gospels, they are the accounts from the witnesses to what Jesus did during his ministry and final important message that he gave all of his disciples before his death, resurrection, and ascension back into heaven. The message was to go out to all of the people and they were not to discriminate as to who the message was delivered. It's totally up to the receiver of the message whether they should come to the faith in Jesus as the true messianic person spoken about all throughout the bible in cleverly encoded ways that all believers can see clearly, but non-believers cannot see at all. Let's face it, we both believe we are right about our beliefs, and this extends to other religions as well, but not all of them can be right. We all have our reasons for ruling out one or the other.

Knowingness about things that are unknowable cannot be known unless they are revealed to us so I can understand why Mohamad was viewed as a special prophet. There is no other way to know about these things. God has made all of us with the ability to access him in a very personal way and flip the bit that opens the connection to him through our Lord and savior Jesus Christ the messiah. Once the connection is made, we also have the ability flip that bit off and drop the connection which sets us back on that same course of missing out on the greatest calling you can ever have, to serve God. Serving self leads to death and destruction in ways most people just will not realize until it is too late. We cannot serve two masters. The reason for life itself is to make that connection with God and keep that bit flipped to the on position as much as possible. Learning how to keep that bit set isn't always easy and in some cases could be burdensome, but most of us are not called to be martyrs for the faith, most are just required to listen to what the holy spirit is telling them to do and doing it according to God's will. Of course this is not blind Simon says jump off the cliff, and you jump. There has to be discernment to know which are the false prophets or spirits, and which one's are true to the Word. If you know the word, you know the true spirits and who you can listen to. If you don't know the word, there is a rather big danger that one could fall prey to false prophets and spirits that are clearly not of God. Whole religions or factions of religions are based on false prophets or information that is not of God. Muslims believe in the same God we do, but they are without the true account of his identity and purpose beyond that of a prophet. If you believe in works that lead to some kind of reward for obedience. None of that matters if you have not faith in the blood that covers all the sins of the world which only comes by way of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. There is just no other way and you cannot drive around it, you cannot fight with God about it, you cannot point out contradictions in the bible to hand wave it away. Without faith in him, you will be judged according to your deeds alone. Good luck with that. Remember what he said "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." That is as clear as day my friend. There is no direct way to the Father without following the letter of the law perfectly. Since this is not achievable by anyone that I know, it is clear why God the Father sent his son for us and on behalf of us who believe in him. There is no other way.
It is amazing how many things God has provided as evidence of Him, but generally short of appearing in front of us during this life - as that would result in a relationship where Trust had never been required nor given.
 
Heed the words of this great man:-

Heed the words of God.

Then by the Lord of the heaven and earth, indeed, it is truth - just as [sure as] it is that you are speaking.
Qur'an 52:23

And brought [within view], that Day, is Hell - that Day, man will remember, but what good to him will be the remembrance?
Qur'an 89:23

It is He Who hath sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it).
Qur’an - Surah at-Tauba (The Repentance) 9:33

81. And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish."
82. “And We send down of the Qur’an that which is a healing and a mercy to those who believe and it increases the transgressors in nothing but loss.”

Qur’an - Surah al-Israa’ (The Night Journey) 17:81-82
 
aziz, I'm not ...

Verily We have revealed the Book to thee (Muhammad) in Truth, for (instructing) mankind. He, then, that receives guidance benefits his own soul: but he that strays injures his own soul. Nor art thou set over them to dispose of their affairs.
Qur’an – Surah az-Zumar (The Groups) 39:41

1. Say (O Muhammad) : O ye that reject Faith!
2. I worship not that which ye worship,
3. Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
4. And I will not worship that which ye have been won't to worship,
5. Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
6. Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.

Qur'an al Kafirun 109:1-6
 
I no longer consider it worth my time to seek specific articles to refute you,

Then why reject something before finding some evidence? Strange behaviour.

71. The Unbelievers will be led to Hell in crowd: until, when they arrive, there, its gates will be opened. And its keepers will say, “Did not messengers come to you from among yourselves, rehearsing to you the Signs of your Lord, and warning you of the Meeting of This Day of yours?” The answer will be: “True: but the Decree of Punishment has been proved true against the Unbelievers!”
72. (To them) will be said: “Enter ye the gates of Hell, to dwell therein: and evil is (this) Abode of the Arrogant!”

Qur’an – Surah az-Zumar (The Groups) 39:71-2
 

Indeed, those who deny Our verses and are arrogant toward them - the gates of Heaven will not be opened for them, nor will they enter Paradise until a camel enters into the eye of a needle. And thus do We recompense the criminals.
Qur'an 7:40
 

Abraham along with his only son at the time Ismail (peace be upon them) were commanded by God to rebuild the Kaaba in the city of Makkah (ancient name Bacca) after it was initially built by Adam with the aid of Gabriel (peace be upon him) many centuries earlier.

125. Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer).
126. And remember Abraham said: “My Lord, make this a City of Peace, and feed its people with fruits,-such of them as believe in Allaah and the Last Day.” He said: “(Yea), and such as reject Faith,-for a while will I grant them their pleasure, but will soon drive them to the torment of Fire,- an evil destination (indeed)!”
127. And remember Abraham and Isma'il raised the foundations of the House (With this prayer): “Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us: For Thou art the All-Hearing, the All-knowing.

Qur’an - Surah al-Baqara (The Heifer) 2:125-7 See also 22:26-27, Psalm 138:2, Isaiah 42:10-11, Isaiah 60:7 and John 4:19-21

When Abraham (peace be upon him) was leaving the city of Makkah, God asked him call out to the Muslims, in thin air as there was no one around, to come the House. Abraham replied to God to say that there was no one, but God asked him again. You only have to see how many millions of believers in the God of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them) go to Makkah to fulfil their obligations to God.

26. And when We assigned for Abraham the place of the House, saying “Do not associate Anything with Me, and purify My House for those who go around it and for those who stand and bow and prostrate themselves in worship.
27. And proclaim the Pilgrimage among humankind: They will come to you on foot and on every camel made lean by travelling deep, distant ravines.

Qur’an – Surah al-Hajj (The Pilgrimage) 22:26-7

The voice of Islam began many thousands of years ago from the time of Adam (peace be upon him) until today, and it cannot be extinguished much as you may hate it.

54. And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allaah too planned, and the best of planners is Allaah.
55. Behold! Allaah said: “O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
56. “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”
57. “As to those who believe and work righteousness, Allaah will pay them (in full) their reward; but Allaah loveth not those who do wrong.”

Qur’an - Surah al-`Imraan (The Family of `Imraan) 3:54-7 See also 3:90.

They want to extinguish the light of Allaah with their mouths, but Allaah refuses except to perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it.
Qur’an - Surah at-Tauba (The Repentance) 9:32
 
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2. The true believers are those whose hearts are filled with awe at the mention of God, and whose faith grows stronger as they listen to His revelations. They are they who put their trust in their Lord, pray steadfastly and give in alms from We gave them.
3. Who establish worship and spend of that We have bestowed on them.
4. Such in truth are the believers: they have grades of dignity with their Lord, and forgiveness, and generous sustenance:

Qur’an - Surah al-Anfal (The Spoils of War) 8:2-4 Compare with 2:10.
 
All attempts at dissuading me from the TRUE belief of Islam, will NEVER work as I intend, by God's grace and Mercy, to enter PARADISE.
Why should I follow FALSEHOOD and go to HELLFIRE?

1. Say : O ye that reject Faith!
2. I worship not that which ye worship,
3. Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
4. And I will not worship that which ye have been won't to worship,
5. Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
6. Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.

Qur'an al Kafirun 109:1-6
 
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Then why reject something before finding some evidence? Strange behaviour.

I will answer this simply: Credibility. To believe in the divinity purported to exist according to the Quran requires me to believe in the supernatural. Once it reaches that point, I no long care because you can NEVER prove the existence of the supernatural as it is used in religious texts. That which can be accepted without proof can also be REJECTED without proof.
 
Then why reject something before finding some evidence? Strange behaviour.
Then why accept something before finding some evidence? There is no evidence for any of the nonsense stories in the Qur'an or the Bible.

The notion that one's own gospel is the only truth and all others are corrupted is universal among the believers.
 
I will answer this simply: Credibility.

But YOU weren't credible at all. You said that knowledge of Qur'an 23:13-4 at a microscopic level was known at the time that the Qur'an was revealed to mankind, yet when asked for evidence, you had none to offer.

As far as proving the existence of God, whatever proof is given to you would be a complete waste of time as you aren't sincere and wanting to accept the truth. The fact that you dismiss the above verse, shows how much a waste of time that would be.
 
Then why accept something before finding some evidence?

But if the microscope didn't exist 1440 years, what kind of evidence are you looking for?

Muslims don't say that all other Scriptures are not true, simply that the uncorrupted versions were revealed but subsequently they were corrupted. Get your facts right.
 
You said that knowledge of Qur'an 23:13-4 at a microscopic level was known at the time

No, I categorically did not. Drops are visible to the naked eye. It is individual sperm cells that would require a microscope. And when a woman has her monthly discharge, it can come out as a bloody little clot. I don't need a microscope for either. So now YOU can STOP lying about what I said.
 
Not sure I can even comment on anything anymore as things have turned really sour in this thread. Too much false cut and paste writings of the false prophet. Where is the love?
 
Where is the love?

Mike, the opinions of Winston Churchill regarding Islam tend to deny the presence of love in that particular quarter. If you have not read his comments, it would be enlightening. And since he had a LOT of experience with Islam while he was doing government-related things in Africa for Great Britain, he had a chance to see it first-hand. His testimony is therefore based on at least some experience. I will simply say, he was not particularly enamored of Islam.
 
Muslims don't say that all other Scriptures are not true, simply that the uncorrupted versions were revealed but subsequently they were corrupted.
A semantic difference only. Islam considers other books are false.

The fact is all the holy books are nonsense from a time when people mistook having hallucinations as divine inspiration rather than being a mental illness. We don't have prophets any more because mental illness can be recognised by most people.
 

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