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When I started this threat, the intent was to highlight that an unfortunate incident of apparent excessive police force was successfully blown-out-of-proportion by the race baiters. Turning a non-racial incident into a racial incident. This has lead to extensive national unrest. Furthermore, as time passed, the "victims" have been found not to be all that innocent and not necessarily "good" people. Of course that does not justify the use of excessive police force. But it is part of "thinking it through" and points to the need of minority community to itself behave responsibly.

The unthinking knee-jerk reaction of the Minneapolis City Council to the death of George Floyd was to essentially castrate the police. Today, the story is emerging that people are now asking "Where are the police?". Shockingly, the Minneapolis City Council, in response to this public outcry, demanded that police explain why the police are not acting. The obvious "thinking it through" answer is that the Minneapolis City Council made the police "go away" as it has become virtually impossible for the police to do their job. Additionally, that the political leaders seem to view the police as an"enemy". Given that type of hostile work environment, It's amazing that there are any police remaining in Minneapolis. Clearly, the Minneapolis City Council failed to "think it through"

PS: As I was writing this, Tucker Carlson discussed this issue on his show. The video is now available, see Post #65.

 
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The obvious "thinking it through" answer is that the Minneapolis City Council made the police "go away" as it has become virtually impossible for the police to do their job.
How exactly does cutting $1.5 million of a $193 million budget make it impossible for them to do their job? The other side of that thinking it through answer is the "Blue Flu"

Council President Lisa Bender, who was among those leading the call to overhaul the department, suggested that officers were being defiant. Her constituents say officers on the street have admitted that they’re purposely not arresting people who are committing crimes.

“This is not new,” Bender said. “But it is very concerning in the current context.”

Arradondo told Bender this was “troubling to hear,” and that he would raise that issue with commanders and the heads of each precinct.
 

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How exactly does cutting $1.5 million of a $193 million budget make it impossible for them to do their job?

I know nothing about the internals of their budget, but I can give you the hypothetical answer. If you cut that much money from the budget, you are either cutting staff or equipment. If you cut staff, then you make response times longer. If their job is rapid response but they are understaffed, that is how they can't do their jobs.

If their staffing wasn't the issue, then damn if I know how things got screwed up.
 

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The other side of that thinking it through answer is the "Blue Flu"
The "Blue Flu" would be an expected outcome when the police employer essentially creates a "hostile work environment" for the police by apparently taking the side of the alleged "criminal". Would you risk your life/career for an action that could be interpreted by a a hostile politician looking for any excuse to declare excessive use of police force? The obvious answer is no. Even the teachers are doing their version of the "Blue Flu" by asserting that they can't go back to work until the classrooms are "safe".

PS: The current vilification of police bares a striking resmeblence to the demonstrations in the late 1960s were returning US soldiers were villified as "baby killers" or other demeaning accusations. The "left" seems to be using the same playbook they had back then, but have now substituted "police" for "soldier".
 
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The obvious "thinking it through" answer is that the Minneapolis City Council made the police "go away" as it has become virtually impossible for the police to do their job. Additionally, that the political leaders seem to view the police as an"enemy". Given that type of hostile work environment, It's amazing that there are any police remaining in Minneapolis. Clearly, the Minneapolis City Council failed to "think it through"
I agree.
And, of course, making it harder for officers to do their job isn't always or necessarily related to money. The mere fact that police officers are being demonized by both politicians, DA's and the public makes their daily life extraordinarily unsafe, much more unsafe than before. That makes it much harder to do their job, as they now feel hesitant to be forceful--even when it's the right thing to do--for fear that too many people will try to clobber them physically, legally, or otherwise, in the event that POC are involved.

Minneapolis is getting what they asked for and deserve, to the extent that they supported the changed atmosphere: Police who are less willing to engage at the newly heightened amounts of risks on all levels.

As for the Blue Flu, we support other industries' workers striking in various ways when their work conditions are no longer acceptable or are considered unconscionable in whatever way. Actually that type of manipulation, as leveraged used against unfair working conditions, are a hallmark both of unions and the entire progressive view on labor. Why not support the police's right to do the same thing? Too dangerous to the public, you say? Then stop deliberately making the officers' environment unreasonably difficult and life threatening, maybe they'll come back.

Her constituents say officers on the street have admitted that they’re purposely not arresting people who are committing crimes
I guess the frustration people feel from that is kind of like what some feel from district attorneys purposely not prosecuting people committing crimes. Maybe they got a taste of their own medicine.
 
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Please tell me the point of arresting someone who will be immediately let out of jail. It's just not worth the effort to transport them to the Police Station and only makes meaningless paperwork. Isn't this what the council wants - fewer people arrested? Aren't the police doing exactly what the council intended?

I'm really glad I live in a small city so we don't have crazies trying to defund our police department.
 

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I have heard a story, probably at best apocryphal, that the penalty for stealing used to escalate. First time, lose a finger. Second time, lose a hand. Third time, lose a head.
Kind of an extreme version of "Three strikes you're out."
 

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That's the way Sharia law works. Another gem is that if a woman wants to accuse a man of ra**, she needs THREE MALE witnesses. If there were three male witnesses, why didn't one of them help her? In other testimony, women count for either 1/3 or 1/2 of a man (I forget which). Same for inheritances. Women are at best second class citizens. They need the permission of a close male relative to even leave the house let alone leave the country or even go out to work or to school.

Just FYI, there are communities in the US that practice Sharia law and for some reason, the Mormons are not allowed to practice polygamy but the Muslims are. Why? Because in this Politically Correct culture, it would be bigotry to criticize any Islamic practice including but not limited to amputation, polygamy, and female mutilation.
 

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The firing of Rayshard Brooks Garrett Rolfe has been overturned as violating his due process. Another story in "small" print following the previous inflammatory headlines on the incident. Unfortunately, the City of Atlanta may still attempt to pursue further legal actions against Brooks Garrett Rolfe. Along those lines, there was a story speculating that had Chauvin been found not guilty, that the US Department of Justice would have arrested him. Then there was the firing of Boganey who had stood-up for due process. Considering the overt "war" on police, it will be difficult for any police officer, once the finger-of-blame is pointed at them to receive due process.

This case (Brooks Rolfe) also raises concerns with other cases where:
  • The police officer has used subjective "excessive force".
  • The race baiters have made these cases headline news to further the narrative that the police are "targeting" Blacks.
Derek Chauvin
Derek Chauvin
Kim Potter
Curt Boganey <--- City Manager Fired by the Mayor of Brooklyn Center (Mike Elliott) for pointing out that Kim Potter deserved due process.

Oops: I mistakenly switched the names of Rayshard Brook and Garrett Rolfe. Garrett Rolfe is the police office and Rayshard Brook is the person who died. :mad: Thanks to @Isaac for pointing the mistake out.
 
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You mean to say what's his name not Rayshard
Other than that spot on as usual!
 

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Now that the Garrett Rolfe firing has been overturned as a violation of his due process, the pundits have started to weigh-in. Unfortunately, I have not been able to locate video clips of either Candice Owens on the Tucker Carlson show, or the video clip of Geraldo Rivera on Hannity.

Candice Owens -> The mayor of Atlanta gave into mob justice. Rolfe had to be fired, according to the mayor, for the unjustified reason of preventing Atlanta from being burned down by the lynch mob. When the political leaders allow an inflamed irrational lynch mob to "define" justice, there is no justice and the mayor was not doing her job. This speaks to the Black community failing to act in a responsible manner and being successfully manipulated by the likes of Black Lives Matter.

Geraldo Rivera -> I nearly fainted. Rivera (a lawyer) unbelievably supported the Atlanta mayor by saying that the firing of Rolfe was justified based on expediency. The fact that the mayor did not provide Rolfe, according to Rivera, with due process was "necessary" to forestall civil unrest. So when it comes to a police officer, due process is irrelevant. But when it comes to a civilian person who has been accused of a crime, due process is considered an unalienable right that must be strictly followed. Fortunately, Hannity picked up on that gaffe and grilled Rivera. Unlike Owens, Rivera placed the entire blame on Rolfe for the death of Brooks.
 

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The city messed up checking the box stating emergency action.


6. On June 13, 2020, acting under delegated authority of then APD Chief Erika Shields, Assistant Police Chief Todd Coyt signed a Notice of Proposed Adverse Action (NPAA) on behalf of the APD. The NPAA recommended “Dismissal” because the Appellant’s actions on the night of June 12, 2020 were deemed contrary to and in violation of APD. SOP.2010 Work Rules, Section 4.2.50 (Maltreatment or Unnecessary Force).

7. The NPAA stated that the Appellant had a right to respond to the APD Disciplinary Authority (Assistant Police Chief Todd Coyt) no later than June 13, 2020 at 4:45 p.m.

8. The Appellant’s Union Representative erroneously acknowledged receiving the NPAA on June 11, 2020 which was actually June 13, 2020.

9. The Notice of Final Adverse Action was signed by Assistant Chief Todd Coyt on June 13, 2020 charging the Appellant with violating Rule 4.2.50 as contained in APD.SOP.2010 Work Rules.

10. The Appellant’s Union Representative erroneously acknowledged receiving the NFAA on June 11, 2020 which was actually June 13, 2020.

11. The additional errors on the NPAA and the NFAA were in the section meant to disclose if the City’s action was an Emergency Action, where both “Yes” and “No” were marked.
 

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