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don't eat at a restaurant?
how can there be a legal double standard regarding how employees are paid? a company prices its products so that it can cover its costs and pay its employees to live. how can there be a different standard for "jobs that are customarily tipped" when there is no guarantee in place that they will be tipped? what are those jobs? is there an actual (legal) list of jobs in this category?
tipping is voluntary. if someone doesn't want to tip - or can't - they won't. if people working jobs that are customarily tipped don't like that, they should get the law changed...or get used to it.
and i'll eat at a restaurant if i want to, even after the prices go up because the staff is being properly paid.
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different cultures definitely do feel differently about tipping.
here in malaysia, there is no tipping. people do not tip. there is no history of it amongst locals. it seems genuinely bizarre to locals. you have paid the price (or even haggled the price) that the seller asked, now, why would you tip?? the only people who tip are expats.
i still find it hard not to, and in fact i still do sometimes tip. but i changed my attitude (more) when i found out that taxis will drive past locals (who might have been waiting longer) in order to pick up a foreigner because they think they might be tipped. service in restaurants can be better (noticeable more to the local) if a tip is expected. (this applies everywhere, i think).
you might ask yourself how you feel when someone else is served first or is treated differently because they have money.
people (anywhere) can feel hurt or isolated when they are treated differently, when the reason is money or for any reason. a shift in the overall balance of things can be felt. it's strange and subtle.
tipping in japan is a big no-no. i didn't know that until i was practically chased down as i was leaving a small family-owned restaurant. they were telling me i should not tip and were trying to give me back my tip. i didn't know it but it can be insulting: they don't need a handout.
this boggles my mind a bit. at first i thought, oh, finally a good reason as to why we should tip. but, on second thought it seems ludicrous.Kraj said:I don't know what the situation is in other countries - or potentially in other states even - but in Illinois people with jobs that are customarily tipped, such as waiters and bartenders, have a legal minimum wage lower than non-tipped employees. The minumum wage for most employees is about $6 an hour; for waitstaff, it is $3.09 an hour. That's less than $125 a week working 40 hours. The reason you are supposed to automatically tip is because a living wage for your server is not built into the price of your meal. If your server is awful, you have the power to affect their ability to make a living. If they are good, they deserve to be supported. If they are great and improve your dining experience (help fix a problem, make an excellent recommendation, etc.) then they deserve to be rewarded. Don't like that? Then don't eat at a restaurant.
how can there be a legal double standard regarding how employees are paid? a company prices its products so that it can cover its costs and pay its employees to live. how can there be a different standard for "jobs that are customarily tipped" when there is no guarantee in place that they will be tipped? what are those jobs? is there an actual (legal) list of jobs in this category?
tipping is voluntary. if someone doesn't want to tip - or can't - they won't. if people working jobs that are customarily tipped don't like that, they should get the law changed...or get used to it.
and i'll eat at a restaurant if i want to, even after the prices go up because the staff is being properly paid.
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different cultures definitely do feel differently about tipping.
here in malaysia, there is no tipping. people do not tip. there is no history of it amongst locals. it seems genuinely bizarre to locals. you have paid the price (or even haggled the price) that the seller asked, now, why would you tip?? the only people who tip are expats.
i still find it hard not to, and in fact i still do sometimes tip. but i changed my attitude (more) when i found out that taxis will drive past locals (who might have been waiting longer) in order to pick up a foreigner because they think they might be tipped. service in restaurants can be better (noticeable more to the local) if a tip is expected. (this applies everywhere, i think).
you might ask yourself how you feel when someone else is served first or is treated differently because they have money.
people (anywhere) can feel hurt or isolated when they are treated differently, when the reason is money or for any reason. a shift in the overall balance of things can be felt. it's strange and subtle.
tipping in japan is a big no-no. i didn't know that until i was practically chased down as i was leaving a small family-owned restaurant. they were telling me i should not tip and were trying to give me back my tip. i didn't know it but it can be insulting: they don't need a handout.
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