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The Olympics officially bans all transgenders from competing in female competitions.
I wonde if they cancel all the records made by them too.

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www.aa.com.tr

Transgender women to be banned from all female Olympic events after 'scientific review’: Report

New policy expected early next year under IOC would end current guidelines allowing transgender athletes to compete with lowered testosterone levels to 'protect female category' - Anadolu Ajansı
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www.nytimes.com

IOC moving toward ban on transgender athletes in women’s Olympic events

In the past, each Olympic sport’s international federation has been allowed to set its own rules on transgender inclusion.
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I cannot say I'm surprised. I feel sorry for the trans athletes because while they aren't actually the gender they think they are, they ARE persons with feelings, desires, aspirations, etc. This will have to be very disappointing to them. It can hardly be anything else. I am glad, however, that the decision was deferred until a hard-science study was made to confirm the findings.
 
KitaYama said:
The Olympics officially bans all transgenders from competing in female competitions
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Is this the correct way to say it? If you are a transgender man (meaning you're actually a woman, but wishing to be a man), you can still compete in female competitions.

It always annoys me when people's/news articles' wording makes it sound like we are "Excluding all transgenders from sports".
They're NOT excluded - they can still play on the team as they were born.
 
Isaac said:
Is this the correct way to say it? If you are a transgender man (meaning you're actually a woman, but wishing to be a man), you can still compete in female competitions.

It always annoys me when people's/news articles' wording makes it sound like we are "Excluding all transgenders from sports".
They're NOT excluded - they can still play on the team as they were born.
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Here's my take:
Trans women (male at birth) who went through male puberty are likely not going to be eligible for female category in many sports, especially at elite level, under forthcoming IOC/federation rules. Because their body belongs to the stronger gender.

Trans men (female at birth) transitioning to male are generally eligible for the male category under existing frameworks, with fewer or no special restrictions. Because their body belongs to weaker gender.
 
I believe that if you wish to compete in a sport in the division that matches the gender assigned to you at birth, nobody would complain about that attempt. HOWEVER, if you have taken hormonal treatments, some of them may qualify as performance enhancing drugs, which would greatly complicate your eligibility. Other treatments would tend to REDUCE muscle mass, giving you a disadvantage against your "peers."

I'm going to step away from this for the reason that I think it is a fluid situation. We might do better to wait for the IOC to put something in writing. Until then, I don't want to know. But it does trigger a memory of a limerick related to this question...

A gay young lad from Khartoum
met a lesbian lass in her room.
They spent the night
in a terrible fight
over who would do what, and to whom.
 
KitaYama said:
Here's my take:
Trans women (male at birth) who went through male puberty are likely not going to be eligible for female category in many sports, especially at elite level, under forthcoming IOC/federation rules. Because their body belongs to the stronger gender.

Trans men (female at birth) transitioning to male are generally eligible for the male category under existing frameworks, with fewer or no special restrictions. Because their body belongs to weaker gender.
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That makes good sense, but I think the current rule is actually simpler.
But here we are on politics again, I'll bow out , as I have too many opinions on it
 
The_Doc_Man said:
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A gay young lad from Khartoum
met a lesbian lass in her room.
They spent the night
in a terrible fight
over who would do what, and to whom.
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Hadn't seen this since I left school (in 1967).
 
I think all I get out of that is I now know how to pronounce Khartoum
 
Gender isn't simply biological. There are many more women than you know that have XY chromosomes and are born biologically female. I've had friends that were. I'm not sure separating any sport by gender is the answer anymore.

What about weight class instead?
 
Vassago said:
Gender isn't simply biological. There are many more women than you know that have XY chromosomes and are born biologically female. I've had friends that were. I'm not sure separating any sport by gender is the answer anymore.

What about weight class instead?
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I think your suggestion falls squarely in the realm of practical and helpful. I'm not sure that specifically is the answer, but I agree - something that recognizes the differences we are all aiming to recognize is a good thing. Going down that road, it seems the classification basis might need to be different for different sports, too..wherein each sport has physical aspects that are more or less important, including but perhaps not always limited to Weight
 
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So then why not just do away with gender categories and go unisex? I know of many women who can kick mens ass. Isn't equality what the feminists want?
 
AccessBlaster said:
Because the F2M crowd is a tiny number and smarter than the M2F crowd. They don't want to be dominated by biological males and possibly injured severely. So it's not really an issue.
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Unisex would solve all controversy
 
BlueSpruce said:
So then why not just do away with gender categories and go unisex? I know of many women who can kick mens ass. Isn't equality what the feminists want?
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Because nobody is interested in observing such a contest, it makes little sense
 
AccessBlaster said:
Yeah, well it's a loaded question with no correct answer in my opinion. But I'll let you explain your reasoning.
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Well, I don't want to force anyone into a compromising position regardless of their answer.
So I will break the ice by saying that some will argue that in general Negroids are considered physically stronger than the others.
 
BlueSpruce said:
Well, I don't want to force anyone into a compromising position regardless of their answer.
So I will break the ice by saying that some will argue that in general Negroids are considered physically stronger than the others.
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Something tells me nobody will argue about that.
 
Isaac said:
Something tells me nobody will argue about that.
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We can revisit this topic later, unless anyone feels uncomfortable with it. Getting back to openly transgender women in sports, there's fewer than a dozen in collegiate and professional sports combined. Have these handful of transgender athletes been pummeling biological women, or monopolising the stats?
 
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