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[dan-cat]

Kraj is not thick, in fact he is extremely sane and articulate as is Ken, Dan, Bod, et al.

 

[KenHigg]

Ah... The good old days....

 

[dan-cat]

psst...Dan...don't encourage him. I know from Rich's posts that the UK knows full well about sarcasm.

You think?

Hmmm...sarcasm fails. Over-the-top fails. Subtlety fails. Logic fails. You sure hes not Dubya himself?

Quoting a British politician who supported the American revolution to argue his case was either a stroke of genius or another example of a dubya. I vote for the latter

 

[nomorehype]

Triply so, when you have voted this 'wrong' in three times consecutively ...



Doesn't stop the UK from asking for a little help in protecting some rock-pile in the South Atlantic either does it? It's called D-I-P-L-O-M-A-C-Y.

So, its fair to say we rely on each other then? So our dimunitive stature is irrelevant

 

[nomorehype]

psst...Dan...don't encourage him. I know from Rich's posts that the UK knows full well about sarcasm.

Hmmm...sarcasm fails. Over-the-top fails. Subtlety fails. Logic fails. You sure hes not Dubya himself?

Hmmm, ignoring him works though. Pity you can't manage to achieve it, eh?

 

[nomorehype]

Quoting a British politician who supported the American revolution to argue his case was either a stroke of genius or another example of a dubya. I vote for the latter

We've seen you Yanks 'voting' before

 

[KenHigg]

So, its fair to say we rely on each other then? So our dimunitive stature is irrelevant

As is your diminutive stature

 

[Kraj]

noMoreWhatEverYourNameIs - Please do not use personal insults to forum members. Kraj is not thick, in fact he is extremely sane and articulate as is Ken, Dan, Bod, et al.
We (Rich and I) have had many "heated" conversations with our American colleagues without resorting to personal insults.

To be fair, at this point I've flung insults almost as bad his way. I don't think anyone is actually paying enough attention to him anymore to be insulted.

Thanks for getting my back, though!

 

[KenHigg]

...Thanks for getting my back, though!

I quess we should never write anyone off completely... Imagine - Col coming to our defense. Darn now we'll have to be nice to him as well...

 

[ColinEssex]

Doesn't stop the UK from asking for a little help in protecting some rock-pile in the South Atlantic either does it? It's called D-I-P-L-O-M-A-C-Y.

As I recall, the UK did ask for US help in the Falklands war, but it was turned down as being a UK issue not a US issue.

Not that it mattered, by the time the US would have gotten down there,we'd stuffed the Argies anyway. If you recall, it took the US 2 or 3 years to work out there was a world war on in the 40's

Col

 

[KenHigg]

... If you recall, it took the US 2 or 3 years to work out there was a world war on in the 40's Col

In the 40's ... ?

Rich should remember that...

 

[nomorehype]

To be fair, at this point I've flung insults almost as bad his way.

Wow, I'm shocked. An admission from an American to knowing the word 'fair'. And a tentative understanding of its meaning, too!

Thanks for getting my back, though!

Funny, when I rallied behind a compatriot I was called a sycophant.

Still, nice day, the weather's great, who needs vitriol?

 

[Kraj]

I quess we should never write anyone off completely... Imagine - Col coming to our defense. Darn now we'll have to be nice to him as well...

Yeah, but not too nice. He still needs his fun too, you know.

Some would say that it would be 'pathetic and sad' to sit idly by, having discovered a great wrong being perpetrated. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke

Yes, and I'm sure bitching and whining about it is exactly the alternative Burke had in mind.

Wow, I'm shocked. An admission from an American to knowing the word 'fair'. And a tentative understanding of its meaning, too!

You might find yourself consistently shocked at the quality of discourse you'd find from us "Merkins" when you appraoch us like a reasonable human being instead of.... whatever you are.

Funny, when I rallied behind a compatriot I was called a sycophant.

Maybe because no one's terribly excited to have you on their side at the moment...

 

[KenHigg]

...Still, nice day, the weather's great, who needs vitriol?

You're actually pretty funny when you get off your soap box...

 

[dan-cat]

As I recall, the UK did ask for US help in the Falklands war, but it was turned down as being a UK issue not a US issue.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/uk/2002/falklands/guide3.stm

4th paragraph...

Not that it mattered, by the time the US would have gotten down there,we'd stuffed the Argies anyway. If you recall, it took the US 2 or 3 years to work out there was a world war on in the 40's
Col

Now I admit we were a little late but a certain Mr Chamberlain wasn't very sparky either. You have to admit it was worth the wait. Anyway we did let you borrow our nukes during the cold war as recompense.

 

[nomorehype]

Yes, and I'm sure bitching and whining about it is exactly the alternative Burke had in mind.

What would you have me do, kraj? One fights with the weapons at one's disposal.
pen, sword, mighty. See if you can arrange those into a famous expression

Maybe because no one's terribly excited to have you on their side at the moment...

LOL. No, the comment came from the /opposition/ camp

 

[KenHigg]

How about some fuel...

DARRELL SCOTT TESTIMONY

Guess our national leaders didn't expect this, hmm? On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful. They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness. The following is a portion of the transcript:

"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good & evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.

"The f irst recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart.

"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent.

I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best. This was written way before I knew I would be speaking here today:

Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
Your words are empty air.
You've stripped away our heritage,
You've outlawed simple prayer.
Now gunshots fill our classrooms,
And precious children die.
You seek for answers everywhere,
And ask the question "Why?"
You regulate restrictive laws,
Through legislative creed.
And yet you fail to understand,
That God is what we need!

"Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact. What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws. Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.

"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America, and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him. To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone!

My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!"

 

[ColinEssex]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/uk/2002/falklands/guide3.stm

4th paragraph...

I'm amazed US intelligence knew where the South Atlantic was!

Anyway we did let you borrow our nukes during the cold war as recompense.

er no actually. They were placed on American bases by the USA despite the fact we didn't want them, hence all the protests at the time. It made us a sitting target and we didn't want to be blown off the planet just because the USA was having a spat with the USSR.

Col

 

[KenHigg]

... having a spat ...

See, those Dukes of Hazard re-runs has improved your verbal dexterity

 

[ColinEssex]

I quess we should never write anyone off completely... Imagine - Col coming to our defense. Darn now we'll have to be nice to him as well...

Rich and I do have a code of practice that we try to stick to. (albeit a loose one!) I felt whatsHisName went beyond that in my opinion.

Col