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[Rich]

1970 was 36 years ago. You weren't born yet, remember how young you are? so how could your "memory serve you right?"

We had history lessons in school that encompassed the whole world and not just the greatness of one country

 

[Rich]

Good to see we're rubbing off on ya. Heck you might even start to believe in a heaven.

I'm in heaven when surrounded by my family, well sometimes anyway, that's what I'm here for.

 

[Matty]

You had history lessons about the World Cup? Wow, I wish I went to school in the UK.

 

[Rich]

You had history lessons about the World Cup? Wow, I wish I went to school in the UK.

We had history lessons about everything that happened in the World, hell we even had history lessons that told the truth about America

 

[ShaneMan]

We had history lessons in school that encompassed the whole world and not just the greatness of one country

There's more than one great country?

We had history lessons about everything that happened in the World, hell we even had history lessons that told the truth about America

How do you know it was the truth? cause someone with a British accent taught it therefor that proves high intellect?

 

[Rich]

There's more than one great country?

That's very true, when will that philosophy become part of the American college curriculum ?

How do you know it was the truth?

It was researched without any political or patriotic bias

 

[ShaneMan]

That's very true, when will that philosophy become part of the American college curriculum ?



It was researched without any political or patriotic bias

So...can you give me an example of something we were taught as little Americans that was untrue but you, when you were little Brits, found out to be much different and closer to the real truth?

and BTW, do you ever sleep? Isn't it past 1am there?

 

[Rich]

and BTW, do you ever sleep? Isn't it past 1am there?

Only babies need sleep Shane, in any event I had to stay up 'till the early hours learning Access whilst running a business.
Now I've learnt to cope with little sleep I come into the cooler to help educate others around the globe.

So...can you give me an example of something we were taught as little Americans that was untrue

Well there was a poster here recently who quoted direct from his sisters school book that the the Quakers were neo conservative thugs.

Here's the truth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Society_of_Friends.

That of course is just one example, there's a post on American education on another forum by Americans making the same point as us. Here's a quote

All of those are good reasons. The books are so heavily edited to be politically correct, "kid-friendly" affairs that they leave out all the interesting parts. American textbooks are always pro-American; it wasn't until I was seventeen years old that I realized I would've supported the British in the American revolution...

Many, many high-school history teachers are not qualified. At least here in Iowa, a great deal of them are athletics coaches who have teaching positions so they can work. (It's generally thought that History is the easiest subject to teach. This isn't true, it's just that history teachers aren't expected to make the subject interesting.)

 

[pono1]

...it becomes M when you turn it upside down...

I can safely say that my feelings for W are 180 degrees different from my feelings for M.

 

[ShaneMan]

Only babies need sleep Shane, in any event I had to stay up 'till the early hours learning Access whilst running a business.
Now I've learnt to cope with little sleep I come into the cooler to help educate others around the globe.


Well there was a poster here recently who quoted direct from his sisters school book that the the Quakers were neo conservative thugs.

Here's the truth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Society_of_Friends.

That of course is just one example, there's a post on American education on another forum by Americans making the same point as us. Here's a quote

I guess as much as I would like to defend, I can't. I keep forgetting the difference in how children are taught today compared to when I went to school. I just had my second grandchild on Weds. morning so I'm getting a little long in the tooth. The Quaker thing being taught, I wasn't even aware of. I have said for a while now that our history keeps getting rewritten and it is slanted toward a bias and not facts. The Quakers came here, along with a large number of other folks, to practice religious freedom. They were being put to death for beliefs they had in their home countries, but that isn't taught here anymore and there are people here that will agrue with that. I have read too many books, written by men during that time frame, to know why they came to the colonies. so in conclusion, your point is made. It just always sounds so much worse the way you say it.

 

[ColinEssex]

Wern't Americans taught that its ok to be offensive to native inhabitants of the US by calling them "Redskins" and to even have offensive names of sporting teams with "redskins" in it.

But its not allowed to have the term "blackskins"? because its offensive?

What would happen if a new team was called "New York Blackskins" would it be allowed?

Col

 

[ShaneMan]

Wern't Americans taught that its ok to be offensive to native inhabitants of the US by calling them "Redskins" and to even have offensive names of sporting teams with "redskins" in it.

But its not allowed to have the term "blackskins"? because its offensive?

What would happen if a new team was called "New York Blackskins" would it be allowed?

Col

No, we weren't taught it was OK to offensive in any way. The "redskins" part probably falls in the same category as the thread from a few months back where you guys call Chinese food "chinky." Here in the states that would be considered offensive. College football here is going through different lawsuits with the teams using native American slang names as mascot name. Some of the usual turn of events is there have been native American tribes that have stepped up and helped the universities in the lawsuits to help them keep their mascot names. Don't know what the real bottom line answer is but I do know that we are not taught to be offensive.

 

[ColinEssex]

The "redskins" part probably falls in the same category as the thread from a few months back where you guys call Chinese food "chinky." Here in the states that would be considered offensive.

Odd that "redskin" is considered offensive yet it is still used, and it is taking a court case to examine it. I would have thought it should be withdrawn naturally - like Coca-Cola Dasani water was here when we proved it was carcinogenic.

Would "blackskin" be offensive?

"Chinky" is not offensive in the UK as it refers to the food not the ethnic status of people. (as you will no doubt recall)

Col

 

[ShaneMan]

Odd that "redskin" is considered offensive yet it is still used, and it is taking a court case to examine it. I would have thought it should be withdrawn naturally - like Coca-Cola Dasani water was here when we proved it was carcinogenic.

Would "blackskin" be offensive?

"Chinky" is not offensive in the UK as it refers to the food not the ethnic status of people. (as you will no doubt recall)

Col

"Chinky", I do recall that is what you said it means in the UK but here in the states it would still be considered offensive.

Do really need me to answer whether "blackskin" would be offensive. I'm sure it probably would, even though I've never heard anyone use that word in any way.

The court case is over multiple schools with many different mascot names. Such as "Utah Utes", "Florida Seminoles", "North Dakota Fighting Sioux", and etc., so the cases are over different schools and from what I understand, I don't thing the native Americans were even behind it. I think it was from one of our many "someone may be offended" groups. We do live in the land of the "offended."

 

[ColinEssex]

I think it was from one of our many "someone may be offended" groups. We do live in the land of the "offended."

We have those here

One headmistress banned the England flag during the world cup football tournament from her school in case it upset non-English children.

Another child was sent home from another school because he sported England colours in his hair.

The English football association head man banned the England flag from flying over their offices in case it offended.

I have to say all the above relented after a public outcry

But its ok to show naked females in adverts on telly advertising body spray

Col

 

[ShaneMan]

We have those here

One headmistress banned the England flag during the world cup football tournament from her school in case it upset non-English children.

Another child was sent home from another school because he sported England colours in his hair.

The English football association head man banned the England flag from flying over their offices in case it offended.

I have to say all the above relented after a public outcry

But its ok to show naked females in adverts on telly advertising body spray

Col

I don't understand. Why would someone in the UK be offended at the English flag? or having Englands colors in your hair? or English flag flying over offices? That doesn't make sense to me.

During all of this immigration stuff, one of the things that I saw on TV that insulted me was when kids in California took the Mexican flag and put it above the American flag. I wasn't offended, I just thought it was very disrespectful. I think if your going to be in another country then you need to abide by not only the laws of that land but also abide by what is important or respectful to that country. I would not go to any other country and fly my countries flag higher than the flag of the country I'm in. That's disrespectful.

 

[ColinEssex]

I don't understand. Why would someone in the UK be offended at the English flag? or having Englands colors in your hair? or English flag flying over offices? That doesn't make sense to me.

Nor to us in the UK - its PC gone mad.

The World Cup football is a great opportunity for our nation to get behind our team and to enjoy the footballing nations. It gives us a break from war, depression, money, work etc.
Many cities have huge screens in the centre so people can watch from the streets, its almost a carnival type atmosphere for a month, yet we get these killjoys who think they know what the people want.

I would not go to any other country and fly my countries flag higher than the flag of the country I'm in. That's disrespectful.

and neither would any other normal person.

What confuses me though, is that all these politically correct things are done "in case" anybody objects. Yet the people who are supposed to object (like Muslims or Asians etc) are totally bemused by it and nobody actuially does object.

Who would go to the English football headquarters in London and say you shouldn't fly the English flag - its totally stupid.

Col

 

[Len Boorman]

What confuses me though, is that all these politically correct things are done "in case" anybody objects. Yet the people who are supposed to object (like Muslims or Asians etc) are totally bemused by it and nobody actuially does object.
Col

I'm with you on this one

I am also confused why such things as conkers and snowballs are banned by some people as well

I suppose that since my childhood was some time ago before all of this stuff I am indeed lucky to be alive.

Rode bike without helmet
Had roller skates
Played conkers
Threw snowballs (and got them back)
climbed trees

I must have been so lucky to survive isn't it fortumnate that there are now concerned individuals worrying in case I should get upset by something or other

Bunch of daft individuals if you ask me

Len

 

[ShaneMan]

Nor to us in the UK - its PC gone mad.

The World Cup football is a great opportunity for our nation to get behind our team and to enjoy the footballing nations.

and show pride in your country. Since when has there been something wrong with that?

It gives us a break from war, depression, money, work etc.
Many cities have huge screens in the centre so people can watch from the streets, its almost a carnival type atmosphere for a month, yet we get these killjoys who think they know what the people want.Col

Agreed 100%. These killjoys go around finding something to get upset about and then try to hide behind they are doing what everyone wants them to, when the truth of the matter is the majority does not want it done.

What confuses me though, is that all these politically correct things are done "in case" anybody objects. Yet the people who are supposed to object (like Muslims or Asians etc) are totally bemused by it and nobody actuially does object.

Who would go to the English football headquarters in London and say you shouldn't fly the English flag - its totally stupid.

Col

Agreed again. Most of the time the supposed "offended" really aren't offended at all. "English" football headquarters = can't fly English flag in front of it. Let's see, that makes sense in what way?

BTW noticed England made it to the quarters. Good luck the rest of the way. I'd rather see them make it all the way than anyone else, except for the fact of having to listen to all of "ya'll" trash talk about it.

 

[Rich]

I suppose that since my childhood was some time ago before all of this stuff I am indeed lucky to be alive.

Rode bike without helmet
Had roller skates
Played conkers
Threw snowballs (and got them back)
climbed trees

I must have been so lucky to survive isn't it fortumnate that there are now concerned individuals worrying in case I should get upset by something or other

Bunch of daft individuals if you ask me

Len

But there weren't any experts around in your days Len
and of course we weren't part of the American sue all culture then