Gay pub kiss

[Access_guy49]

So my vote is for showing people we care about them and a kiss, in this instance...

This isn't about A kiss.... from the article it sounds like they got away with an acceptable level of PDA, and opted to take it far enough that it made the owner unhappy, and from that point continued. That goes beyond a single kiss, which i'm sure no one had a problem with. (Or at least not enough of a problem to say anything to them about it)

 

[Access_guy49]

And the government's rules and wishes are the government's rules and wishes. This same argument came up when they banned smoking in bars in my area. Owner's rights versus government's rights.

Any individual's right to religious beliefs end on themself. Discriminating against a person or group of people based on what an old book says is illegal in most cases.

The law supersedes religious beliefs.

Good points, I guess the real question is, legally can you prove discrimination... I'm going to say No, you can't. They were allowed access to the bar, they were served in the bar, and they clearly kissed freely at least a couple times before being warned. After being warned they continued, which in my opinion shows a potential risk to the owners property and safety becomes an issue. The owner apparently identified himself as the owner, and asked for a specific activity the couple were engaging in to be stopped. Not much different than asking two guys to stop swearing, or a girl to get down off a table, or asking a couple to be quite if they happen to be yelling to loud. It was an activity the owner didn't approve of in his bar which is his right. There is no government law that says you can make out with people as a RIGHT.
As the owner, perhaps he was also concerned that the patrons had no regard for his bar, or his authority, and the sign of disrespect could have been taken to higher levels, in which case he asked them to leave before things escalate.
It would be hard to prove that he was thinking otherwise.

Gay people tend to be defensive, but keep in mind that there are millions of people being taught every day that gay people are bad people. These thoughts and ideas are being taught to children of very young ages.

Can you imagine how defensive you would be if there were millions of people who were taught to hate you because of some genetic aspect of yourself?

I know several gay people who are not defensive.... It's all about choosing how you deal with things, And to be honest I don't agree with organizing a protest because someone didn't let you kiss in their bar.

 

[Adam Caramon]

It would be hard to prove that he was thinking otherwise.

The devil is in the details, as they say.

Their peace was shattered when a fellow drinker, who claimed to be the landlord, asked them to refrain from kissing because it was "bothering" him.

Implies to me that it was not clear to them that this fellow drinker truly was the landlord. Also, based on the way he told them, it sounds like he was upset about the fact that it was 2 guys rather than PDA in general.

The witnesses:

She added that "no one seemed to mind apart from this one man". She said she spoke to bar staff who confirmed the man who raised the first objections was the landlord, before both she and Morton were also asked to leave.

So after the witnesses probably stuck up for the two guys, they were also asked to leave. Sounds more like a bully at this point.

The kicker, IMO, is:

Bull said he was putting on his coat to leave and had given Williams "a peck on the lips" when the woman, who was wearing a staff uniform, came up to them. "She said we had to leave because we were being obscene.

So they're preparing to leave, and a woman comes up to them and tells them they are forced to leave. Why not just let them leave?

Assuming that the report is a balanced view of things (hard to say), then I'd say the owners are clearly grade A jerks.

And to be honest I don't agree with organizing a protest because someone didn't let you kiss in their bar.

Based on the article it does not seem like they organized the protest, more that they complained to friends online and then it snowballed into a protest.

 

[dan-cat]

So my vote is for showing people we care about them and a kiss, in this instance, is as good as any, even in public. Perhaps we have lost the ability to show and appreciate some emotion.

Simon

Perhaps but it cuts both ways. Perhaps we have also become afraid of showing our displeasures as well through fear of being labeled a prejudiced jerk.

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

THis is quite interesting reading on the subject

http://news.pinkpaper.com/NewsStory...-snow-furore-claims-couple-were-fondling.aspx

as was the original story in the same paper.

 

[Access_guy49]

“I put it on Twitter, the fact that it is all over Twitter doesn’t have anything to do with me..."

This guy is really starting to piss me off... "I PUT IT ON TWITTER" ... how the hell does it therefor have nothing to do with him!!! comments like that, in my opinion make him a much less credible source, He is basically saying that what he put on twitter was an embelishment of the truth, and the fact people ran with it isn't his fault.. Otherwise, what's the point of denying your part in it??

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

This guy is really starting to piss me off... "I PUT IT ON TWITTER" ... how the hell does it therefor have nothing to do with him!!! comments like that, in my opinion make him a much less credible source, He is basically saying that what he put on twitter was an embelishment of the truth, and the fact people ran with it isn't his fault.. Otherwise, what's the point of denying your part in it??

As he said he's a journalist - he has no idea at all how far a published embellishment of the truth can travel!?

 

[dan-cat]

Mr Williams comes across as someone who isn't very concerned with the responsibility of his own actions. It doesn't surprise me that he irritated people nearby. He's irritating me.

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

Mr Williams comes across as someone who isn't very concerned with the responsibility of his own actions. It doesn't surprise me that he irritated people nearby. He's irritating me.

Should he therefore be asked to stop though?

 

[Access_guy49]

Should he therefore be asked to stop though?

If a person was yelling profanity in a resteraunt, would you want management to stop the person? Yes.
Is this really that different? No.
Making out in a public bar where people are there to eat and socialize just isn't the thing to do, for ANYONE. And you gotta remember, they were not initially kicked out, just asked to stop. That's what a proper establishment should do if there are complaints about a patron.. If you can't act decently in a public setting, being asked to leave is the response we are all accustomed to.

If it was a single kiss, I would likely agree with the argument that it should not have been stopped, but as i said in my last post, the credability is shot in my opinion of Mr. Williams, which leads me to believe that it was more than just a couple little kisses.

 

[dan-cat]

Should he therefore be asked to stop though?

If his actions were impolite then yes. I would consider fondling and french kissing in public impolite if you were asked beforehand to stop.

My point was that his self proclaimed lack of culpability for anything in particular just lends weight to him not being very socially adept.