Gun laws do they work (1 Viewer)

[Lightwave]

Dear Americans

I don't reside in America but I like the place. I watch all your Hollywood films and I feel more connected to your culture than any other culture in the world bar my own. I did live for a short time in Maine and then toured most of your states. Your choices are your choices if you want guns, have them. I don't hold the same views as Wayne La Pierre or at least I don't feel that America has any more nutters than anywhere else in the world and I personally do not have the same kind of fear of videos/ video games that he seems to have and I count myself fortunate in that respect.

You are your own nation now and I am confident whatever you choose it will work out ok in the end. All nations attempt to do the best lets hope we can all learn from each other towards a better outcome.

All crime statistics whether you believe them or not seem to indicate that crime is universally decreasing. Lets hope that whatever path people choose we shall end in the same destination and lets hope that 's as soon as possible.

 

[John Big Booty]

Does that mean I can't sleep at your house?

I thought I mentioned that I was taking the piss.

 

[Dick7Access]

I thought I mentioned that I was taking the piss.

Sorry Big John, I have never hear that expression, so I don't get it. Is that an Aussie expression?
BTW Are Barrister as evil as our lawyers?

 

[Lightwave]

BTW Are Barrister as evil as our lawyers?

Depends which side they are representing!

(Barristers do the Hollywood stuff in front of Jury's)

 

[RainLover]

I heard on the news that another 4 people were killed by a gunman.

Only in America.

 

[Dick7Access]

This is interesting.

Bang on Dick's RV at 2:00 AM and he will go and get his gun and kill you.

Perhaps we should start gun control by taking Dick's gun away from him.

Lets be Fair about this. You have to meet me half way. You have to stand somewhere that I can get a good shot. That is the mistake the hooligans did in Austin, they kept out of my sight. Oops, just noticed you said 2:00 am. Please don't restrict me to just that time :banghead: You guys will never get it!!

 

[Dick7Access]

This is interesting.

Perhaps we should start gun control by taking Dick's gun away from him.

Try it, please try it!

 

[Dick7Access]

Dick7Access in #591.

I did not ask for certificates I asked for further information.
>> Please post further information so we can verify your qualifications as you have stated in post #582.<<

Chris.

I am missing your drift. I know what you say is meant to be sarcastic, and that is perfectly legit in a forum like this, but you will have to be clearer for a simple minded old guy with a bad trigger finger. Now that's a bad combination. GUN-SIMPLE MIND-BAD TRIGGER FINGER.

 

[John Big Booty]

Sorry Big John, I have never hear that expression, so I don't get it. Is that an Aussie expression?
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I was having a lend of you

 

[John Big Booty]

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BTW Are Barrister as evil as our lawyers?

I don't believe that any profession is intrinsically evil/bad. There are good and bad in all professions. Just because I have had one bad experience with a police officer doesn't mean that all coppers are bad. Judging any profession by it's bad apples does no one any favours, least of all the person making the judgement.


It's akin to Col and his blanket judgements on Americans based on his nightly observations of the news

 

[Dick7Access]

When I went to Spain I brough a English to Spanish dictionary with me. Do you know if they have printed a YankeeEise to AussieEise dictionary?
BTW John I have found another advantage of using FF. With IE I often had trouble coping a post from my email so that I could paste in the joke thread. With FF it copies every time.

 

[Dick7Access]

I don't believe that any profession is intrinsically evil/bad. There are good and bad in all professions. Just because I have had one bad experience with a police officer doesn't mean that all coppers are bad. Judging any profession by it's bad apples does no one any favours, least of all the person making the judgement.


It's akin to Col and his blanket judgements on Americans based on his nightly observations of the news

So true. It just like with lawyers/barristers. Just because 99% of them are bad it gives the rest if them a bad name. LOL

 

[John Big Booty]

When I went to Spain I brough a English to Spanish dictionary with me. Do you know if they have printed a YankeeEise to AussieEise dictionary?
BTW John I have found another advantage of using FF. With IE I often had trouble coping a post from my email so that I could paste in the joke thread. With FF it copies every time.

Try here for starters.

 

[Dick7Access]

Try here for starters.

Going over the list that you sent me, one item that came to mind, was while at a restaurant in Spain with some friends, we were ready to pay the bill and we were having trouble getting the waiter to understand that we wanted the check. I took out my little dictionary and looked up the word for check. The waiter gave me a strange look and went get the manager who could speak English. I showed him the word and he and the waiter had a laughing fit. The word that I looked up meant a check point as in border crossing. My friends for the rest of that trip called me check point Charlie.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Brian, I can see how you might think that, though perhaps there is a nuance or two that I think needs correcting. We fear our leaders because we fear their incompetence. It is slightly off-thread regarding the shootings, but illustrative of the point I want to make. The so-called "fiscal cliff" discussions are going to end up going nowhere, taxes will go up, the economy will take a nose-dive, and the next round of finger-pointing will be worse than ever. But we can't seem to get people into office who actually have a clue about the seriousness of their tasks. "Competent senators and representatives" now seems to be an oxymoron. I am reminded of the movie "Idiocracy" (which is so spot-on sometimes that it is painful to watch.) Yes, we are terrified of our leaders. Mark Twain once opined: Nobody's life, liberty, or property are safe while Congress is in session. (Or words to that effect.)

For what it's worth, I would just as soon spend less money telling people how to live. I think our form of government is pretty good in some ways but the decline brought about by the polarization between parties is a relatively new phenomenon. OK, when I was a kid, I didn't pay quite as much attention to government as I do now. But I feel safe in saying that the volume level on the bickering has gone up and the amount of progress towards a REAL solution has gone down.

ChrisO - the problem with saying that Hawaii has fewer guns and less crime is that the statement might well be true, but cause and effect are very hard to sort out. I don't doubt the numbers. I doubt the interpretation. I am "The Doc Man" because I have a Ph.D. in chemistry, which depends heavily on statistics. One of the big issues we learn early in our careers is that correlation comes in all shapes and sizes.

My question is this: Do you have fewer murders because you have fewer guns? Or do you have fewer guns because you have fewer murders? And could it possibly be that you have fewer murders for some other reason not covered in the study that leads to a common correlation with an untested social variable?

Citing statistics to prove a social point has always been questionable on the best day of my life because of the tenuous nature of social correlations. It is why I am so reluctant to agree with folks about gun control. I also remember a quote from one of our founding fathers who was heard to say: Those who trade liberty for security will soon find that they have neither.

 

[RainLover]

ChrisO - the problem with saying that Hawaii has fewer guns and less crime is that the statement might well be true, but cause and effect are very hard to sort out. I don't doubt the numbers. I doubt the interpretation. I am "The Doc Man" because I have a Ph.D. in chemistry, which depends heavily on statistics. One of the big issues we learn early in our careers is that correlation comes in all shapes and sizes.

My question is this: Do you have fewer murders because you have fewer guns? Or do you have fewer guns because you have fewer murders? And could it possibly be that you have fewer murders for some other reason not covered in the study that leads to a common correlation with an untested social variable?

Citing statistics to prove a social point has always been questionable on the best day of my life because of the tenuous nature of social correlations. It is why I am so reluctant to agree with folks about gun control. I also remember a quote from one of our founding fathers who was heard to say: Those who trade liberty for security will soon find that they have neither.

To attempt to answer this although it was not addressed to me.

Do you have fewer murders because you have fewer guns? Or do you have fewer guns because you have fewer murders?

The answer to this can only be yes. If you were to graph this out from a point where you are now (Lot of guns and lots of murders) to a point where there are no guns then it must follow that there would be no murders as a result of guns.

Someone came up with the statement, Guns don't kill people do.

If I may just change this a little. People don't kill without the use of a weapon. That weapon may be a gun, their bare hands, a knife, a bow and arrow or even a boomerang.

No one in their right mind would suggest that it would be possible to remove all weapons from society. But for the sake of your own Country you must try, and the time to start trying is now.

 

[ColinEssex]

Going over the list that you sent me, one item that came to mind, was while at a restaurant in Spain with some friends, we were ready to pay the bill and we were having trouble getting the waiter to understand that we wanted the check. I took out my little dictionary and looked up the word for check. The waiter gave me a strange look and went get the manager who could speak English. I showed him the word and he and the waiter had a laughing fit. The word that I looked up meant a check point as in border crossing. My friends for the rest of that trip called me check point Charlie.

That's the problem when you change the rich English language as the Americans have to suit their peculiar strange dialect.
If English was your first language you wouldn't have too much of a problem, better still, learn some basic Spanish, it is etiquette.

Actually I'm amazed that there is an American here who has ventured outside the white picket fence and idyllic world of the USA.

Col

 

[ColinEssex]

When I went to Spain I brough a English to Spanish dictionary with me. Do you know if they have printed a YankeeEise to AussieEise dictionary?
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English is not Australians first language either. Many of their words are from the American dialect, which refused to succumb to when I lived there for three years.

I am British and refused to be dictated to by colonials.

Col

 

[John Big Booty]

English is not Australians first language either. Many of their words are from the American dialect, which refused to succumb to when I lived there for three years.

I am British and refused to be dictated to by colonials.

Col

In one post you manage to effectively expose both your ignorance, and your bitter xenophobia. English is a living language that readily welcomes new words from any source into it's lexicon. You attitude is no better than that of Académie française.

 

[Dick7Access]

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That's the problem when you change the rich English language as the Americans have to suit their peculiar strange dialect.
If English was your first language you wouldn't have too much of a problem, better still, learn some basic Spanish, it is etiquette.

Actually I'm amazed that there is an American here who has ventured outside the white picket fence and idyllic world of the USA.

Col

Surley you jest.