Climate and the number of deniers

[jpl458]

There is a difference between looking at life the way it is, and the way you want it to be.

 

[Isaac]

I really ought to let this go, but I will say that I can attest to the fact that I distinctly remember on the news several governors coming out admitting their death rates were half of what they had been reporting for some time. Of course, I have no idea anymore which ones it was or what time frame it was, and it would be very hard to find because what everyone now has published will be the 'current' (i.e. correct & revised) numbers.

But surely you remember they were constantly revising them during the thick of things - I know you do, regardless of what you say

 

[jpl458]

I really ought to let this go, but I will say that I can attest to the fact that I distinctly remember on the news several governors coming out admitting their death rates were half of what they had been reporting for some time. Of course, I have no idea anymore which ones it was or what time frame it was, and it would be very hard to find because what everyone now has published will be the 'current' (i.e. correct & revised) numbers.

But surely you remember they were constantly revising them during the thick of things - I know you do, regardless of what you say

Isaac, I remeber there was confusion, but the real numbers are available now. If you read the big post I sent, towards the bottom there was bit describing how the confusion was started by some media outlet, that published a misleading article that went viral. That media later retracted the original story and replaced with one that was factual.

Have a nice day.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Except in Africa.

Confirming Pat's observation regarding the "other" drugs having been tested in Africa and working. That would be ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. Both drugs are known to be safe and effective for other diseases but in both cases, the effects on COVID were defined to be secondary to the drugs' primary effects (also known as an "off-label" effect). Wouldn't be the first time a drug is effective in more than one way.

Now, a lot of USA-based reports say that these drugs are not effective - but other nations have reported better results. Makes me wonder if politics has stifled science yet again? At some point the rug will be pulled out from under the nay-sayers yet again.

 

[Mike Krailo]

Plus, how they did the studies matters. If you gave someone the treatments too late, as they did here in the US, of course they will appear to be ineffective. The boneheads haven't allowed doctors to work with it over a decent amount of time such that the doctors gain experience with using it. They just say it doesn't work, and disallow it's usage altogether when it has been in use for other things for ages. So it's not exactly harmful, so why try so hard to control the narrative? Maybe, because they want to control the narrative.

 

[moke123]

So it's not exactly harmful,

and it's not exactly not harmful

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  Hydroxychloroquine was prescribed in hospitalised patients with Covid-19 despite of the low-level evidence.
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  Subsequently, HCQ use was associated with an 11% increase in the mortality rate in a meta-analysis of randomized trials.
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  The number of hydroxychloroquine related deaths in hospitalised patients is estimated at 16,990 in six countries.
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  These findings illustrate the hazard of drug repurposing with low-level evidence for the management of future pandemics.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S075333222301853X#sec0075

 

[Isaac]

and it's not exactly not harmful

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S075333222301853X#sec0075

Re-read Mike's previous post

 

[GaP42]

So much misinformation and disinformation:
From the Lancet: “hydroxychloroquine did not have clinical benefit for COVID-19.”

And re Ivermectin: The drug’s manufacturer, Merck, has stated that there’s “no meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease”.

Every drug carries risk, including those "harmless" ones put forward by the ill-informed.

 

[moke123]

BEFORE the web was purged of the "settled" science

It is now buried too far down to come up in web searches and that is by design.

Who exactly did the purging and who designed it? The deep state? biden crime family? The evil Dr. Fauci? Q?

 

[Jon]

Who exactly did the purging and who designed it? The deep state? biden crime family? The evil Dr. Fauci? Q?

The Google algo purged, which was designed and run by predominantly left-leaning Silicon Valley software engineers. Just look what happened at Twitter too. Big Tech is leftie, but it appears Trump is starting to win over at least some of the bigwigs over there.

If you doubt some of this, just consider the laptop from hell discussion. Silenced! New York Post, cancelled!

 

[Isaac]

The difference in our opinions is due to the fact that I did my research in 2020 BEFORE the web was purged of the "settled" science regarding masks and social distancing and isolation. It was before there was a "vaccine" that was close to delivery. Once the "vaccine" became a reality, the ONLY way it could be approved as "an emergence use only drug" was if there was no existing treatment that could cure the disease or mitigate its symptoms. Therefore, it was necessary to squash every other potentially useful drug so that approval for "emergency use only" could proceed. I'm no good with the wayback machine or I would find the science for you. It is now buried too far down to come up in web searches and that is by design.

"Settled Science" changed dramatically in 2020 and it was all political. There was no scientific basis for the change. The size of a virus didn't change. COVID-19 was still too tiny to be stopped even by n95 masks let along the junk we all were forced to wear. One analogy was "putting a chain link fence around your yard doesn't keep out mosquitos as it compared the size of the virus to the "empty" space in all the woven masks. The rules imposed were politically expedient and allowed politicians, especially governors and local politicians to become omnipotent.

That's a very real thing, the mainstream media basically banding together to eliminate certain information (which they'll call "Misinformation and Disinformation" - although none of them can explain what the difference is lol). Thank God for conservative media, ACLJ, FOIA, etc. turning over stones that otherwise couldn't be turned.

The Left elites are corporately equivalent to a bully who harasses you in small but unprovable ways, then sits across the street laughing while you fail to catch them for something you have no hard evidence for usually but can clearly tell is happening. Eventually they'll probably regret their trajectory, because either the right will win, or the left will come to its natural end - socialism and a depressing, totalitarian new world for all