How the AI apocolypse starts (2 Viewers)

[Isaac]

wants the money train to last forever.

Yea

 

[Thales750]

Not me. He is profiting immensely by our throwing money at his war with no accountability. He wants the money train to last forever.

What a surprise,

 

[Pat Hartman]

Stupid us for allowing it. Our government ought to have people smart enough to recognize this as a potential problem and always take steps to prevent it. Equate this with another recent thread where we discussed reports of large companies simply paying invoices without verifying that they were legit. Do you pay a bill from a vendor you don't recognize without verifying it? Probably not. I just got a phone call from "Bank of America" telling me that someone just charged $300+ to a credit card in Miami and asked me to verify the charge. I might have fallen for the scam if I had a BOA CC but I don't so I didn't. Even if I had a BOC CC, the message was just sketchy and vague enough that I would have gone through real channels to question the charge rather than calling the number in the message.

 

[BlueSpruce]

This whole AI thing is overhyped. It's just a toy for now and too risky to scale. It will fade once the novelty wears off, just like the cloud did. What's the next fad going to be?

 

[GPGeorge]

This whole AI thing is overhyped. It's just a toy for now and too risky to scale. It will fade once the novelty wears off, just like the cloud did. What's the next fad going to be?

I seriously doubt that AI will fade, no more than the internet faded after the dot com bubble burst in the late 1990s. In fact, the cycle is familiar. The "cloud" went through its period of over-hype and settled into a more rational role. Of course, I could be wrong about that. Maybe no one actually uses cloud-based solutions any longer?

AI is coming to the end of the over-hype phase. What will happen next, I believe, is a more rational period in which people begin to understand how to exploit it effectively and appropriately.

Those who figure out how to do so effectively will be more productive over the long run. Reaching for an appropriate analogy, I'd say the time will come when AI will be no more shocking than Cruise Control in automobiles is to the kids learning to drive today. I remember being awestruck by the concept. Today, it's just there.

 

[Isaac]

I agree with bits of both of you - I DO think AI as-is is too risky to scale very well. that's an excellent summary way of saying it.
But it will get through its period of over-hype and settle into something pretty seriously relevant, just as the cloud did.
I do think it will hit more of a 'ceiling' than people think. Regulatory, compliance, legal, IP law, safety, security will all come in to limit its use to only those who know what they are doing, which kinda brings us back to the beginning in a sense.

But it's undoubtedly useful for productivity. I just asked it how to identify any stored procedure in a particular schema containing a particular text. Now I could've figured that out and written it on my own, maybe in 5-20 minutes. But with ChatGPT I did it in 20 seconds.

 

[BlueSpruce]

I agree with bits of both of you - I DO think AI as-is is too risky to scale very well. that's an excellent summary way of saying it.
But it will get through its period of over-hype and settle into something pretty seriously relevant, just as the cloud did.
I do think it will hit more of a 'ceiling' than people think. Regulatory, compliance, legal, IP law, safety, security will all come in to limit its use to only those who know what they are doing, which kinda brings us back to the beginning in a sense.

But it's undoubtedly useful for productivity. I just asked it how to identify any stored procedure in a particular schema containing a particular text. Now I could've figured that out and written it on my own, maybe in 5-20 minutes. But with ChatGPT I did it in 20 seconds.

AI has caused several major negative impacts, like Bank of America erroneously cancelling thousands of cardholders accounts, data breaches, making wrong investment decisions, etc. BofA had to pay millions in fines. AI is just not ready for prime time. It's still a toy and businesses are over relying on it, firing many employees because they're eager to cut costs.

 

[Isaac]

In the meantime, I want to be all like 'oh yeah, I'm using AI all the time and it's helping me', just in case they make layoff decisions on who is or isn't embracing AI. Well that and plus it's helpful

 

[BlueSpruce]

In the meantime, I want to be all like 'oh yeah, I'm using AI all the time and it's helping me', just in case they make layoff decisions on who is or isn't embracing AI. Well that and plus it's helpful

AI to me is just a glorified search tool that gathers relevant info from the web and formats it into pretty answers. It can't be totally relied on for making autonomous decisions if it hallucinates once in a while

 

[AccessBlaster]

In the meantime, I want to be all like 'oh yeah, I'm using AI all the time and it's helping me', just in case they make layoff decisions on who is or isn't embracing AI. Well that and plus it's helpful

I think you're ahead of the game, because you have the fundamentals of programming while utilizing the tool known as AI. That's a killer combo.

 

[Isaac]

I think you're ahead of the game, because you have the fundamentals of programming while utilizing the tool known as AI. That's a killer combo.

I hope

 

[Isaac]

AI to me is just a glorified search tool that gathers relevant info from the web and formats it into pretty answers. It can't be totally relied on for making autonomous decisions if it hallucinates once in a while

Yeah, at first I thought ChatGPT's answer was wrong, as I got zero results but I knew I had some. Then I realized the SYS tables were tied to a database, not a server (like idiot me, I should have known that right!?) - so sometimes it's a matter of giving it context

 

[AccessBlaster]

The door isn't being shut, it's flung open.

 

[AccessBlaster]

If I was still in the game, I'd be looking for new solutions to old nagging problems. Utilizing endless prompting to achieve my goals.

 

[Isaac]

If I was still in the game, I'd be looking for new solutions to old nagging problems. Utilizing endless prompting to achieve my goals.

I feel so far behind some times that I'm not even coherent enough to organize old, current, new - people are using so many cloud solutions and even good ole' sql server has so many new options (or options that aren't really new, but new to me), I feel sometimes like a strong imposter syndrome. Then I talk to my son, who feels the same way despite a MS in robotics engineering but because they only 'scratched the surface' of many things he feels the same feeling - it's a real problem in IT, some of these job descriptions are outlandish in scope and you wonder "Are they really going to find a person who knows all those things in detail?"

I don't even know Grouping Sets in sql , some people use it like it's going out of style. My problem is there are so many new things I could learn IF I had an example project to use them on. But time flies and work flies and you sometimes feel like there isn't enough dough in the recipe to learn the new stuff. My new company is all about AWS, Snowflake, Kafka. Thankfully I work in the "company that was bought", which is still 100% sql server based, so there is plenty of work to do, but I always get this nagging feeling I better learn as much new as I can or at least be a Successful Pretender lol

 

[AccessBlaster]

I feel so far behind some times that I'm not even coherent enough to organize old, current, new - people are using so many cloud solutions and even good ole' sql server has so many new options (or options that aren't really new, but new to me), I feel sometimes like a strong imposter syndrome. Then I talk to my son, who feels the same way despite a MS in robotics engineering but because they only 'scratched the surface' of many things he feels the same feeling - it's a real problem in IT, some of these job descriptions are outlandish in scope and you wonder "Are they really going to find a person who knows all those things in detail?"

I don't even know Grouping Sets in sql , some people use it like it's going out of style. My problem is there are so many new things I could learn IF I had an example project to use them on. But time flies and work flies and you sometimes feel like there isn't enough dough in the recipe to learn the new stuff. My new company is all about AWS, Snowflake, Kafka. Thankfully I work in the "company that was bought", which is still 100% sql server based, so there is plenty of work to do, but I always get this nagging feeling I better learn as much new as I can or at least be a Successful Pretender lol

Sounds to me like you have a great foundation but your confidence has been shaken a bit. Build on what you have and try and stay positive.

 

[GPGeorge]

AI to me is just a glorified search tool that gathers relevant info from the web and formats it into pretty answers. It can't be totally relied on for making autonomous decisions if it hallucinates once in a while

At some point, one of you has to assume the role of "adult in the room". If you defer to AI to fill that role, yeah, you lose.

 

[BlueSpruce]

This whole AI thing is overhyped. It's just a toy for now and too risky to scale. It will fade once the novelty wears off, just like the cloud did. What's the next fad going to be?

At some point, one of you has to assume the role of "adult in the room". If you defer to AI to fill that role, yeah, you lose.

Isn't the whole idea that children will learn so they don't commit the same mistakes again?

 

[GPGeorge]

Isn't the whole idea that children will learn so they don't commit the same mistakes again?

True. And the reason we put teachers in charge of classes in school is that SOMEONE has to be the adult in the teaching/learning process.

In parallel to that, parents are the adults in a family relationship.

 

[BlueSpruce]

True. And the reason we put teachers in charge of classes in school is that SOMEONE has to be the adult in the teaching/learning process.

In parallel to that, parents are the adults in a family relationship.

So for AI, that learning process is either too slow, or they're stubborn because they're committing the same mistakes. Remember that AI is a machine based wizard programmed by humans. If it encounters a slightly different set of circumstances, it's not going to leverage what it previously learned. I suspect some AI engines are deep fakes piloted by monkeys riding on greyhound dogs