Paris Hilton's Get Out Of Jail Card.

Weren't the Kennedy clan born into priviledge also:confused:

Yeah but they had to be elected anyways. Royalty is based on blood. never really made sense why youd follow someone just because of their bloodline.

And again ull claim bloodline with past presidents and current... but again. they were elected
 
So, would you feel better if you see dead soldiers comming off of the planes, and you like to see more downside

Maybe not but it would drive home just what Bush has inflicted in the quest for revenge after 9/11
 
Without bashing the Yanks

the first Bush , was ok , he could string a sentance together- didn't agree with him, but at least he could talk.

Clinton was an excellent president - but I think that it will take 20 -30 years for people to realise this.
Regan was "odd" but likeable not quite all there but managed to carry it off
then you kinda going before my time
but the kennedies (I hope i've spelt this right) had moments that would have stood out as being excellent, however this family seems to have a distructive streak int hem - don't know why. but they do as to war time president, it is always hard to judge them, objectively (I include churchill in this as well)
from an outsiders view - why did the US get involved earlier in the War , then why did the US get involved - its a double edge sword this one
damned if you do and damned if you don't

and as you can tell from the posts here, the Americans should not got involved in xx and why did it take so long to get involved with xx

Clinton (being the most recent "decent" preisdent) managed to achive a lot on the worldwide circuits, and raised the profile of the US in a postive manner, Bush seems to be focus on internal polictics (which is not a bad thing in it self) bit then tries to force the world to support his decisions and that what he says goes. clinton tried the same but didn't put everyones noses out of place with his arrogance.

Bush, has managed to alienate the US from 80% of the world, just through being abrupt, when a quite word and a nudge would do
statements like your either with me or against me - does not go down well
Now you see that is what I like about him, he does not sugar coat anything. If you don't agree with him, don't let door hit you in the ass on the way out. It seems like everyone wants to hear, what they want to hear, not truth.

Now thats just me

its a selfish view to take and as we all know life is not black and white or yes and no there are degrees of agreements

now i am not bashing the Yanks on this - just a view on there presidents form a view outside of the States -

you guys will have a different view on our past
Prime minsters

as an example
a lot of americans seem to think that Tony Blair is ok
we (and I can use the collective we) seem to think he's an arse,
pre T.Blair we had John major - a nothing PM no soul , pre him you have maggie thatcher - now there are different views according to where you ask this question, genreally there is a north south dedvide on this.
its all objective - but as i have said before we treat our leaders differnetly than state side - ours are there to do our bidding - if they do soemthing i am not happy with them I slag them off , Stateside it does seem to be almost verging on worshipping your President almost as a demi god
which for a start will rattle a lot of peoples cages here as we see our leaders as public servants not as object to be worshiped

now here i go again - double standards - the Queen is head of state and is given respect and is worshipped by some as "demi-god" and i could argue this case ,but I see the double standard on this myself - but as an outline
she will not get any personal gain out of politics - she is meant to be above politics - but is probably more clued up on this than most , as an ambassored for the UK/commonwealth/canda/australia she has a lot of clout, a phone call from queenie will at least be listened to, even if it not agree, she has the power (respect) to make a statement and be listened too by a large percntage of the world . (when I say power, I mean that she has no power to do anything but the power to speak as a figure head of state )

Now you see that’s what I like about Bush, he tells it like it is. And if you disagree, big deal you disagree, he is the one making the decision.

I guess if don’t like it don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way.
 
John Kennedy was ok, but too popular for the CIA, so he had to be 'removed' -as was Bobby.

Clinton did masses for the USA's standing in the world, the USA was much respected. Now it's the lowest of the low in its standings.

Even the UK is dragged down by the USA - we hardly get any votes in the Eurovision song contest

Col
 
~Joe
He's telling you what he wants you to know - not whats true, which is slightly different form heres the truth and this is what i am going to do.

WMD is a good example -where are they - I am afraid that they don't exist and never had.

he told a lie to his electrate (typo) and has stood by this lie insisting that they exist and still does - whereas the experts have stated that they didn't and don't exist, but due to politics Bush refuses to admit this.

The leader of the world bank another good example - he's the man that bush put in, irrespective of he's corrupt and has done the dirty
 
When is he going to produce the WMDs that he cited as justification for the illegal invasion of Iraq?:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

The United States has found 500 chemical weapons in Iraq since 2003, and more weapons of mass destruction are likely to be uncovered, two Republican lawmakers said Wednesday.

"We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons," Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said in a quickly called press conference late Wednesday afternoon.

Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, Santorum said: "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist."
 
~Joe
He's telling you what he wants you to know - not whats true, which is slightly different form heres the truth and this is what i am going to do.

WMD is a good example -where are they - I am afraid that they don't exist and never had.

he told a lie to his electrate (typo) and has stood by this lie insisting that they exist and still does - whereas the experts have stated that they didn't and don't exist, but due to politics Bush refuses to admit this.

The leader of the world bank another good example - he's the man that bush put in, irrespective of he's corrupt and has done the dirty

In all fairness to both us, who really knows. We are not there, its all here say. All we are getting is what being told by others. If you can 500 people say that there was no WMD, I could find 550 say there was. So who really knows.
 
The United States has found 500 chemical weapons in Iraq since 2003, and more weapons of mass destruction are likely to be uncovered, two Republican lawmakers said Wednesday.

Just as successful as the hunt for BinLiner eh:rolleyes:
 
In all fairness to both us, who really knows. We are not there, its all here say. All we are getting is what being told by others. If you can 500 people say that there was no WMD, I could find 550 say there was. So who really knows.

Where's the evidence?
 
John Kennedy was ok, but too popular for the CIA, so he had to be 'removed' -as was Bobby.

Clinton did masses for the USA's standing in the world, the USA was much respected. Now it's the lowest of the low in its standings.

Even the UK is dragged down by the USA - we hardly get any votes in the Eurovision song contest

Col

Yep even Monica did masses for clinton.:D I supported him, but dis-respect him as a person.
 
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I lived for 10 years in Michigan's Upper Peninsula, I have an acquired antipathy for trolls.
*end disclaimer*

Free speech is excellent in the USA - except when it's the US government controlling what the TV news says - e.g. you never see any dead US soldiers coffins being unloaded from planes, your TV news on Iraq always highlights the US heros - never the downside.

Oh, and of course when the CIA are tapping your phone without permission. (but you knew that anyway)

Col

Er, the first item on televised news where I live is almost always the latest casualty figures from Iraq, followed by interviews with the family and friends, local reaction, etc. The toll has been so high Ft. Lewis has suggested they stop holding individual services for the fallen and do monthly ones instead. Needless to say this is not going over well at all. I'm sure footage of the actual mangled bodies would be more pleasing to some of the more tasteless of US critics, but I assure you we are quite well aware the "downside."
 
Er, the first item on televised news where I live is almost always the latest casualty figures from Iraq, followed by interviews with the family and friends, local reaction, etc. The toll has been so high Ft. Lewis has suggested they stop holding individual services for the fallen and do monthly ones instead. Needless to say this is not going over well at all. I'm sure footage of the actual mangled bodies would be more pleasing to some of the more tasteless of US critics, but I assure you we are quite well aware the "downside."


Dont know why it is not going over so well - people have to realize how inconvenient it is having to hold services and burying the fallen soldiers... maybe they can appeal to the insurgents and ask them to only kill soldiers on the first week of the month only for the sake of convenience :mad:


...actually :mad: x 3!
 
Dont know why it is not going over so well - people have to realize how inconvenient it is having to hold services and burying the fallen soldiers... maybe they can appeal to the insurgents and ask them to only kill soldiers on the first week of the month only for the sake of convenience :mad:


...actually :mad: x 3!

Why not just do the obvious and pull out now:confused:
 
Franklin D of course

so you have forgiven him for not getting involved in World War 2 until 1941? thats awful big of you Rich :D

and since when did this Paris Hilton thread get moved to the political area and renamed to what is wrong with the US?
 

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