Compliance gone mad

[Rich]

No what you said was " in 5 years correct English grammar will be obsolete ". if this is your view you should be using correct grammar the whole time but you don't and I picked you upon it because you wrote was utterly sensationalist. If you advocate correct grammar in such a way i'm going to call you on it when you don't use correct grammar.



While I did Take what you said out of context the underlying point is still valid. You want people to use correct grammar but don't use it yourself.



It's just me being hypocritical in being sensationalist myself but your view that people should use correct grammar has echoes of totalitarianism. Giving you are british you should be familiar enough to know that the use of the word in this way refers to the totalitarian aspect of it rather than the any actual alignment with the political views of the third reich.



Quite relaxed really. If you hadn't been banging on about the death of proper english and how people need to use correct grammar I would never have picked you up on them in the first place. But you did so you shouldn't really be suprised that someone chose to pick you up on your own grammar.




Ahh more personal attacks. While I can understand why you find grammar nazi offensive it really wasn't included as a personal attack more a bit of hypocritical sensationalism on my part. Personally I don't feel the need to engage in personal attacks but if you feel you must please feel free to continue them.

Aren't you missing a few capital letters in there, is this omision getting to be a habit?

 

[chergh]

Have you ever seen any letters/postgrams or whatever they were called sent home from the front during WWII? There is no excuse for laziness.

Do you mean telegrams?

If so these were often abbreviated. i found an example here.

"We received your very fine letter and your telegram this morning stop on the morning after you left us there were so many things to be done that all we could do was to pack up and get a taxi in time for the train we are leaving now."

Would be shortened to:

""Received your very fine letter and Telegram this morning so many things to be done morning after you left all we could do was pack and get taxi for train are leaving now."

Textspeak and SMS is somewhat analagous to this in that they were trying to make maximum use of the technology that was available, and not necessarily doing it because they are lazy. now the technology has advanced the need to use textspeak doesn't exist but as the proverb goes "old habits die hard" and I would contend text speak isn't laziness but more an old habit dying hard.

 

[Rich]

Do you mean telegrams?

No I don't they were actual letters written on paper that was no larger than a sheet of toilet paper

 

[ColinEssex]

While I did Take what you said out of context the underlying point is still valid.

So don't base your argument on that misconstrued phrase then.

It's just me being hypocritical in being sensationalist myself

Good, now we're getting somewhere

Ahh more personal attacks. . . . . . . . Personally I don't feel the need to engage in personal attacks but if you feel you must please feel free to continue them.

If you think the stick thing was a personal attack then you definately need to get out from behind the blinkers - who knows, you may even be able to hold a reasonable discussion one day Don't worry, we'll help you

If you were a boss, would you like to receive an application form written in textspeak? Would you think that candidate is worth a look?

What is wrong with preserving old values? like opening a car door for a lady, or letting a lady or a senior citizen have your seat on the tube / bus?

Col

 

[GaryPanic]

That may be so but they genuinely attempted to write correctly and given the size of paper they had to write on you wouldn't see the likes of "I c u soon" based on the excuse of the need for brevity

Yep...

although - maybe they should of ....
I remember my grandmother doing puzzles
if the B.

which converts to If the Great B Full Stop (if the grate be full, stop) - and then it went on to if the grate B empty put some coal on ( which might be if the B mt then put;;

for those younger than moses - grate is a fire basket for coal- so they did txt in an obsure way - but it was more of a puzzle than communication .

but she was 97 went she went and that was a couple of years ago ...

 

[Rich]

Yep...

although - maybe they should of ....
I remember my grandmother doing puzzles
if the B.

which converts to If the Great B Full Stop (if the grate be full, stop) - and then it went on to if the grate B empty put some coal on ( which might be if the B mt then put;;

for those younger than moses - grate is a fire basket for coal- so they did txt in an obsure way - but it was more of a puzzle than communication .

but she was 97 went she went and that was a couple of years ago ...

Ah that sounds more like a Northern dialect

 

[chergh]

What is wrong with preserving old values? like opening a car door for a lady, or letting a lady or a senior citizen have your seat on the tube / bus?

This is getting more to the point. I would contend that correct english is not under any threat and i really don't think something like text speak is ever going to threaten correct english. The media like to whip up a frenzy whenever they can but trying to claim correct english is under threat from a fad is just nonsense.

 

[ColinEssex]

and I would contend text speak isn't laziness but more an old habit dying hard.

I disagree. Textspeak by the youngsters today is not an "old habit dying hard". It's rife and growing into areas it should not be used. If this continues, the correct form of writing will be lost.

If I was a teacher, apart from enjoying the copious weeks of paid holidays they get per year and short working day, I would put forward a ban on mobiles in schools.

Col

 

[Rich]

This is getting more to the point. I would contend that correct english is not under any threat and i really don't think something like text speak is ever going to threaten correct english. The media like to whip up a frenzy whenever they can but trying to claim correct english is under threat from a fad is just nonsense.

Did you read the Daily Mail article?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=413866&in_page_id=1770

 

[ColinEssex]

Yep...

although - maybe they should of ....
I remember my grandmother doing puzzles
if the B.

which converts to If the Great B Full Stop (if the grate be full, stop) - and then it went on to if the grate B empty put some coal on ( which might be if the B mt then put;;

for those younger than moses - grate is a fire basket for coal- so they did txt in an obsure way - but it was more of a puzzle than communication .

but she was 97 went she went and that was a couple of years ago ...

Bet the nights just flew by in your grans' house

Col

 

[GaryPanic]

might of been - maybe i am a closet northener - eeek(I knew I had a bit of welsh in my history, but never thought I could also have a flap cap - does this mean i can wear tartan , and go t' pub (only kidding)
went t'market and bought a book it was "t'lion,T witch and t' wardrobe"

converted into plainer english
The lion, THe Witch and the Wardrobe
certain parts of the north of england,they have a dialaic , which instead of saying "the" it is shorten to"t" just "t" ...
trust me it gets a lot worse in other parts of the UK
you have a cornish twang , which can be hard to understand - a welsh pharsing (i kinda like this though), a Bromie sound- a bit dull which is weird considering that Shakesphere came from the west country and to hear
"Once more unto the breach dear friend" - done by Jaspear Carrot sound weird(bloody funny), but is probably closer to howWS spoke -- I ramble

g

 

[Rich]

you have a cornish twang , which can be hard to understand

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I have no problem with it, especially when they ask for independance

 

[ColinEssex]

Did you read the Daily Mail article?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=413866&in_page_id=1770

Chergh will only downgrade this article as sensationalism.

Col

 

[GaryPanic]

Bet the nights just flew by in your grans' house

Col

hey - she went raving with me in her 80's (lol) no she didn't ,lovely lady from a differnt time, well cultured unlike her grandson (me.) -could play the piano, sing- paint - last of a dieing breed .
never did a days work in her life- lazy so-so
fond memories
2 world war's
queen victoria, king who abidcated another king george , then lizzie

thats some history ...

 

[chergh]

It's rife and growing into areas it should not be used. If this continues, the correct form of writing will be lost.

Evidence for this please, apart from the daily mail article.

 

[chergh]

I did notice the article failed to give any figures to show how many students actually used text speak in their exam answers.

Does anyone have any proof of exam answers being given in a text speak format?

Or did the reporter directly ask if students would be eligible to receive marks if they gave an answer in text speak.

I suspect the latter; just as if a student answers in badly spelled or poorly written english they are eligible for marks I would suspect that text speak is considered the same as badly spelled or poorly written english.

 

[ColinEssex]

Evidence for this please, apart from the daily mail article.

Messages that are written by younger people when you're out of the office. Items on TV every now and then.

Still, thinking about it - what the hell does it matter? our world will be destroyed by war soon anyway unless something serious is done, so a "c.u. later" is neither here nor there.

Col

 

[chergh]

Or you could just admit you don't have any evidence to support your claims.

 

[ColinEssex]

Or you could just admit you don't have any evidence to support your claims.

If I didn't I would say so, surely practical evidence is better.

So you're going to ignore my questions then - you should move to the USA, they ignore anything that they disagree with.

Col

 

[chergh]

If I didn't I would say so, surely practical evidence is better.

So you're going to ignore my questions then - you should move to the USA, they ignore anything that they disagree with.

Col

I'm not sure which questions you are talking about but if you restate them i will answer them.

Show me some evidence, show me how many pupils have used text speak in their exam papers.

Show me some evidence that supports your claim: "It's rife and growing into areas it should not be used. If this continues, the correct form of writing will be lost."

You made the claim now support it.

P.S. Don't forget to repost the questions I didn't answer.