British weird weather - Global Warming?

[Pauldohert]

I love this song:

Title: Beds Are Burning
Artist: Oil Midnight

Out where the river broke
The bloodwood and the desert oak
Holden wrecks and boiling diesels
Steam in forty five degrees

The time has come
To say fair's fair
To pay the rent
To pay our share
The time has come
A fact's a fact
It belongs to them
Let's give it back

How can we dance when our earth is turning
How do we sleep while our beds are burning
How can we dance when our earth is turning
How do we sleep while our beds are burning

The time has come to say fairs fair
to pay the rent, now to pay our share

Four wheels scare the cockatoos
From Kintore East to Yuendemu
The western desert lives and breathes
In forty five degrees

The time has come
To say fair's fair
To pay the rent
To pay our share
The time has come
A fact's a fact
It belongs to them
Let's give it back

How can we dance when our earth is turning
How do we sleep while our beds are burning
How can we dance when our earth is turning
How do we sleep while our beds are burning

The time has come to say fair's fair
To pay the rent, now to pay our share
The time has come, a fact's a fact
It belongs to them, let's give it back

How can we dance when our earth is turning
How do we sleep while our beds are burning

Is this rock and roll with a message? Yeh! Whats the message? Who are Oil Midnight? Sounds kinda backwards to me!

 

[scott-atkinson]

Since we were talking fuel economy and clean-running vehicles at least indirectly....

What about electric cars?

I firmly believe that the technology exists to make good electric cars, or even cars that run on Bio Diesel, but why arer'nt they being manufactured

I think this is due to power by the big oil producers, if manufactures suddenly flooded the market with alternative fuel cars, imagine what this would do to oil prices!

If good electric cars were made generally available and affordable I would certainly buy one.

 

[Rich]

But what do you use to charge electric cars?

 

[scott-atkinson]

But what do you use to charge electric cars?

I see your point, but electric is man made, we are not consuming the earths natural resources.

Perhaps Bio Diesel is a better alternative then ?

 

[Rich]

Coal still provides the largest output of electricity here and is the largest cause of the high rate of carbon being pumped into the sky, as for bio fuels, what land do we then use to grow food?

 

[scott-atkinson]

Coal still provides the largest output of electricity here and is the largest cause of the high rate of carbon being pumped into the sky, as for bio fuels, what land do we then use to grow food?

What do you then suggest as an alternative feul for cars?

 

[GaryPanic]

Here in Kent -t here are afew Bio diesel station and the fuel costs around 59 pence (Compared to around 94 pence)

There was an interview with a bio fuel expert and he said (ish) that only about 5% of cars can be made to run off this without having to grow seperate crops - re-cycling chip fat etc and other by products otherwise you have to start growing crops which effects the food chain - the price of food will go up ..

recently there is a bus in wales that runs of urine (sheeps) which might be the answer

electric cars sound good - but until we get our act together on wind/wave/solar power not really doing it for the enviroment (although removing exhaust imissions for the car, but moving it to a power station -if coal fired , if nuke then diffent.

best small solution , I think the French have - is to have bikes all over the place for short journeys - you hire them as you need them and then drop them off at a point and someone else can hire them ( i think its limited to a short time 1/2 hour or so)

 

[Rich]

What do you then suggest as an alternative feul for cars?

There isn't a viable one yet, I'm afraid that unless man changes his lifestyle, life for him is doomed in the long term

 

[GaryPanic]

at the moment in the uk I would recommed paddle power

 

[scott-atkinson]

best small solution , I think the French have - is to have bikes all over the place for short journeys - you hire them as you need them and then drop them off at a point and someone else can hire them ( i think its limited to a short time 1/2 hour or so)

Problem I have is that I live in Essex but work in Herts, therfore I have to use my car each day for commuting, It would be too far to ride a bike, and no public transport exists short of going into City only to come out again into Herts.

My wife needs a car to take our kids to school again too far to walk, and my children are too young to ride a bike to school.

I believe that the technology exists to make good alternatuve fual cars, but big Oil business won't allow it!!

 

[scott-atkinson]

at the moment in the uk I would recommed paddle power

Yeah, I thought all the so-called global warming experts predicted Long Hot Summers....

Sort of blows them into all proportion

Experts my A*$e

 

[GaryPanic]

Ahh. you missed there point - there are long hot summers - just not here ..

 

[GaryPanic]

as to th ebike solution - this one was for the cities - not the country folk like you - you'll have to harness a pig or something - now various means of doing this - theres side saddle , or you could have a buggy ???

 

[scott-atkinson]

Ahh. you missed there point - there are long hot summers - just not here ..

You could apply that to anything though, so really they are just edging their bets, they could say that global warming would cause it to rain on a Tuesday, and somewhere in the world it would be raining on a Tuesday....therefore a result of Global Warming and all the expensively paid scientists have got it right!

 

[Rich]

at the moment in the uk I would recommed paddle power

No help down here in the Dry

 

[scott-atkinson]

as to th ebike solution - this one was for the cities - not the country folk like you - you'll have to harness a pig or something - now various means of doing this - theres side saddle , or you could have a buggy ???

Don't start mentioning farm animals you'll get me excited

Hang on, I can here flossy bleating again, oh she is a game one

 

[Rich]

Yeah, I thought all the so-called global warming experts predicted Long Hot Summers....

Sort of blows them into all proportion

Experts my A*$e

Whilst they may not get the predictions correct all of the time no one can deny that the seasons haven't changed in my short lifetime, all the concensus is (except for Americans) is that the rapid increase global warming in such a short space of time is man made

 

[scott-atkinson]

Whilst they may not get the predictions correct all of the time no one can deny that the seasons haven't changed in my short lifetime, all the concensus is (except for Americans) is that the rapid increase global warming in such a short space of time is man made

Sorry mate I don't understand, surely this should be that the seasons have changed

 

[Rich]

Sorry mate I don't understand, surely this should be that the seasons have changed

Exactly

 

[ColinEssex]

best small solution , I think the French have - is to have bikes all over the place for short journeys - you hire them as you need them and then drop them off at a point and someone else can hire them ( i think its limited to a short time 1/2 hour or so)

I think it was in Cambridge 5 or 6 years ago, the council suppied dozens of pushbikes and put them at several "centres" where people could use them, leave them at another centre do what you have to do, then get a bike and ride back.

It worked well, but after about 2 weeks, all the bikes had been stolen.

I'm surprised the council never saw that one coming

On a general note, when the USA, China and India start doing something constructive and stop thinking about money / profits and bribery then maybe I'll think about it - in the meantime, my saving a plastic milk bottle is having bugger-all effect.
We are not going to make any difference even if there is global warming or whatever they call it. (even scientists arn't sure it exists)
These things happen - in the 1800's, the Thames used to freeze, if that happened now they'd have a fit.

Col