British weird weather - Global Warming?

when you have icefields break off the size of wales - you know you are in trouble -- ok the ice they were on was x feet thick - but how thick was it in the past - or how far out did the ice fields reach -

has the artic circle shrunk somewhat - it used to include the tip of scotland - does it any more??
 
GaryPanic said:
has the artic circle shrunk somewhat - it used to include the tip of scotland - does it any more??
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During the last Ice age the ice cap came down to Northern tip of Africa !

My point is, the Ice Cap will always shrink and expand over time, as has been shown from history. Except now days we are saying that it is due to Man's ways and pollutions, due to Gloabl Warming.

Last time I checked my history, we did not have any CO2 pumping industries, or CO2 emitting cars, when the Whooly Mammouths roamed the continent
 
but we were hit by a F*&%$ing big rock then - which throw a dust cloud up causing a drop in the temp etc

we seem to be doing the same without a rock this time..

if a doctors say you need to have surgery cos of a lump you have on your arm , its a bad excuse to say 300 years ago the doctor would not of operated on you but would have used leechs or stinging nettles to try and cure you ( which probably does you no good at all)

90 % of boffings agree that global warming is probably due to man
the other 10 % may be right , but I'll like to play the safe odds - the cost is not that much at the end of the day- oil will run out thats gonna happen, so lets plan ahead now , and find a solutuin thats is as green as poss, coal is limited , gas is in decline

so wind farms are a logical choice, same with wave generators , nuclear is also a must in the short term- recycle makes sense even if its just to keep the planet clean,

as to being truely green , ten this needs tob e done on so many levels , from goverment, manufactors, to consumers


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GaryPanic said:
but we were hit by a F*&%$ing big rock then - which throw a dust cloud up causing a drop in the temp etc

we seem to be doing the same without a rock this time..

if a doctors say you need to have surgery cos of a lump you have on your arm , its a bad excuse to say 300 years ago the doctor would not of operated on you but would have used leechs or stinging nettles to try and cure you ( which probably does you no good at all)

90 % of boffings agree that global warming is probably due to man
the other 10 % may be right , but I'll like to play the safe odds - the cost is not that much at the end of the day- oil will run out thats gonna happen, so lets plan ahead now , and find a solutuin thats is as green as poss, coal is limited , gas is in decline

so wind farms are a logical choice, same with wave generators , nuclear is also a must in the short term- recycle makes sense even if its just to keep the planet clean,

as to being truely green , ten this needs tob e done on so many levels , from goverment, manufactors, to consumers


g
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Firstly I would like to add that your Big Rock theory is about 65 million years out, Whooly Mammoths were around about way after this event.

Secondly I do not disagree with your points, I think that we should be harnassing alternative sources of power, I happen to think that the wind turbines are one of the most majestic things that I have seen and I am all for them.

The point that am trying to raise is that this government and no doubt other governments around the world are using global warming as a way to increase taxes and make people pay even more, increased fuel duty, increased road tax duty, vat on Gas, Electric. It is yet another stealth tax in the name of saving the planet.

I do feel that the earth is going through weather cycles as it as done for so many millions of years. Except now the governments have found a lucrative excuse to tax everybody with.

That is my point.
 
GaryPanic said:
but we were hit by a F*&%$ing big rock then - which throw a dust cloud up causing a drop in the temp etc

we seem to be doing the same without a rock this time..

if a doctors say you need to have surgery cos of a lump you have on your arm , its a bad excuse to say 300 years ago the doctor would not of operated on you but would have used leechs or stinging nettles to try and cure you ( which probably does you no good at all)

90 % of boffings agree that global warming is probably due to man
the other 10 % may be right , but I'll like to play the safe odds - the cost is not that much at the end of the day- oil will run out thats gonna happen, so lets plan ahead now , and find a solutuin thats is as green as poss, coal is limited , gas is in decline

so wind farms are a logical choice, same with wave generators , nuclear is also a must in the short term- recycle makes sense even if its just to keep the planet clean,

as to being truely green , ten this needs tob e done on so many levels , from goverment, manufactors, to consumers


g
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Firstly I would like to add that your Big Rock theory is about 65 million years out, Whooly Mammoths were around way after this event.

Secondly I do not disagree with your points, I think that we should be harnassing alternative sources of power, I happen to think that the wind turbines are one of the most majestic things that I have seen and I am all for them.

The point that i am trying to raise is that this government and no doubt other governments around the world are using global warming as a way to increase taxes and make people pay even more, increased fuel duty, increased road tax duty, vat on Gas, Electric. It is yet another stealth tax in the name of saving the planet.

I do feel that the earth is going through weather cycles as it as done for so many millions of years. Except now the governments have found a lucrative excuse to tax everybody with.

That is my point.
 
big rock -volcanos some weird shit happened

it was cold otherwise why were the elephants wearing a coat ..
yes the world does have a cycle - sort of like a winter/summer cycle every 10,000 years or so ....
is the goverment doing this just for tax. no - they would just increase it by 1% - i admit it is a good way of getting extra revenue , but oil is running out there are few viable solution to replace this at present,
what would happen if there was a food crisis - the world would probably go in to melt down and you would end up with anarchy (?) Govements try not to go there ..

If we did not trust the Dollar (example) and refuse to accept this as currency - the US would implode , taking all sorts of goverments with it (including the UK)- how would you buy stuff - given that the $ has no real value - no it would be down to bartering and gold/minerals etc ... Global warming could cause this tigger - a bad year in the american bread basket - could lead to war ...

when the oil runs out will the US try to retain all the oil in the Middle east (I am not picking on the Americans here - just a good example to use).. but of course they will , but will France also want this - would be yes ..

this could cause war . so by removing our relance on oil , we become freere of this impact - wind genrators are a good option to offset some of this - they are not the total solution as there are wind free days , _ I tink they are stunning works of modern engineering -

wave genrators also play their part .. but in the end we could be down to working locally - having only locally prodced foods - or imports would have to be on sail boats ...

The idea that goverments are using global warming as an excuse just to increase tax... just does not compute espically as scienctists are the ones to say this first and they had a real job convincing goverments ...
green peace is not a tool of goverment - they are a bunch of tree hugging hippies - but they have been on the alternative energhy band wagon for donkeys
 
If we have to rely on local produce then we're in the sh*t, there isn't enough here and hasn't been for centuries;)
 
GaryPanic said:
big rock -volcanos some weird shit happened

it was cold otherwise why were the elephants wearing a coat ..
yes the world does have a cycle - sort of like a winter/summer cycle every 10,000 years or so ....
is the goverment doing this just for tax. no - they would just increase it by 1% - i admit it is a good way of getting extra revenue , but oil is running out there are few viable solution to replace this at present,
what would happen if there was a food crisis - the world would probably go in to melt down and you would end up with anarchy (?) Govements try not to go there ..

If we did not trust the Dollar (example) and refuse to accept this as currency - the US would implode , taking all sorts of goverments with it (including the UK)- how would you buy stuff - given that the $ has no real value - no it would be down to bartering and gold/minerals etc ... Global warming could cause this tigger - a bad year in the american bread basket - could lead to war ...

when the oil runs out will the US try to retain all the oil in the Middle east (I am not picking on the Americans here - just a good example to use).. but of course they will , but will France also want this - would be yes ..

this could cause war . so by removing our relance on oil , we become freere of this impact - wind genrators are a good option to offset some of this - they are not the total solution as there are wind free days , _ I tink they are stunning works of modern engineering -

wave genrators also play their part .. but in the end we could be down to working locally - having only locally prodced foods - or imports would have to be on sail boats ...

The idea that goverments are using global warming as an excuse just to increase tax... just does not compute espically as scienctists are the ones to say this first and they had a real job convincing goverments ...
green peace is not a tool of goverment - they are a bunch of tree hugging hippies - but they have been on the alternative energhy band wagon for donkeys
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I cannot argue with any of your points here, I do agree with them all, and I too feel that we should be researching and using alternative power sources.

Unfortunately, due to capitalism, I don't feel that the large oil producers, economies will put the effort that is needed into this, as the more people use alternative power the less profits they make.

The points that i keep trying to make is that everybody is quick to jump onto the Global Warming band wagon and say that we should do this or we should do that, telling us how to live our lives, yet not really providing us with any help to achieve it.
I have to run 2 cars and all the costs that involves, due to my work and my children, I would love to ditch one of them and use public transport which the goverment is aggressively pursuing us to do with their taxation policies, but they are not putting in place the infastructure for us to achieve it.

Again on the news today, and in my mind just another ridiculous notion, Stanstead airport want to plan another terminal, the climaters are getting an Inuit from Iceland to come and petition to the planning committee how another runway will effect his countries climate !!!!!:confused: :confused: :confused:
Stark raving bonkers if you ask me.

I am in no shape way or form dissing anybody who wants to live an alternative lifestyle, who wants to recycle, I too recycle cardboard, glass, paper, garden waste, I too turn my heating off when I do not need it, I too as mentioned would love to ditch a car and use public transport.
But they are my choices, I do not want some so-called expert telling me that i have to do it otherwise i am going to go to hell, based on very intangible evidence. The same intangible evidence that is giving the governments of this world the right to fleece us workers dry with taxation in the name of the PLANET. :mad:

ok, I shall go and take my pill now...:D
 
:D those pills you are taking , they are not the blue minty ones are they .

I think that the goverment (and I despise this current one) is in a hard place - there are things they should do , and then they interfer where they should not .


it should as you rightly point out be a gradual process ..

simple steps that effect joe public the least will go down a lot easier .

a good example is the low enregy light bulbs, let stop making normal lights bulbs and convert to these

lets make manufactors get there act together- impact on joe public - very little
get joe to recycle as much as poss - great , but lets give him as least as poss to recycle ..
less wrapping , plastic that rots down easier , if you buy a TV , then the supplier must take the old one away free of charge (and recycle -dispose of it)

lets recycle and reduce the land fill - this hopefully will clear up te countryside- cleaner air - all of these are postive

and if the goverment was honest about this and said this is gonna cost everyone £100 - most people would say fair enough ( as long as they can see a result form this )

we should have the convicts going through old rubbish tips and sorting out the recycleing
and riddlaling the rest to see how much as been turned in to soil (composting)

- the convicts should also be made to clean up the inner cities, get them doing work to help clean the planet - this might instal some values inthere empty lives



here I go again rambbling on - I think I need to borrow a couple of your pills

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GaryPanic;613416 we should have the convicts going through old rubbish tips and sorting out the recycleing and riddlaling the rest to see how much as been turned in to soil (composting) - the convicts should also be made to clean up the inner cities said:
You should run for parliment you would get my vote :)

I too feel the same way, it just feels like at the moment we are getting everything thrust onto us, with the message 'you will do this or else' and then not giving us any help to actually achieve it.

Targeting business, less packaging, more bio-degradable packaging, companies recycling old replaced goods, this is the way to go.

Erecting more wind turbines, I live in present at Essex, but am moving to Corby in the Midlands in a couple of months, and just outside of the town they have a massive wind farm of about 30 wind turbines, it is one of the most peaceful and majestic things that I have seen, and I think there should be more of them.
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a good example is the low enregy light bulbs, let stop making normal lights bulbs and convert to these
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I know that I am not the only person who finds it difficult to read by these, in addition many take a time to come up to full luminosity, and therefore are not suitable in all cicumstances, unless left on !!
I have also read that like true fluorescent tubes they are difficult and polluting to dispose of, like that Prius car the greens all rave about.

Brian
 
Brian in your case I can understand , being slightly older and with your dodgey eyesight (I am not taking the mick here) I was talking in general -- i think that if we had to have these eco bulbs - technology would catch up ...
yes they do take some time to warm up.. a couple of secs nothing to get overly excited over, and if the wattage is not enough get a higher wattage and see if this helps..

but its a starting place if 5% of our electrical needs are lighting then reducing this down by 80% makes sense - its the first option , then less packaging - which has a straight knock on effect - less rubbish

also when plastics are being used have rot down ones
I would like to get away from foods wrapped in plastic , but I can understand that certain items may need to be wrapped . but it is over done


i ramble :p
 
sussed it Brian - you could wear a miners hat with a light on it and have the battery charged by moving your leg up and down - two fold effect here , a bit of exercise for you and free electricity ,, and if your feeling up to it we coudl plug your laptop in as well - this though might involve running round your front room for 20 mins to get a decent charge .. or do you have a dog that you could strap into a hamster type cage and runa dyno off ??? lol (only kidding) , well about the dog, might get into trouble with the RSPCA,
 
It's ok Gary , the family have always taken the mick. I do believe in trying, the wife says I'm very trying, and we do have 4 low energy bulbs in the house where lights are on most, but not in my reading lamp, nor on the stairs.
We are definitely into recylcing and make max use of our greenhouse to grow food not flowers, but otherwise the garden is too small for anything but a few fruit bushes.


Brian
 
not the false on otherwise your disturbe the neighbours..

I have been growing my own food this year - carrots great success
potatioes diaster as where the Tomatos (weather) but the plums/damsons are manic - its either jam or wine - I plumping for the wine

apples this year - not so good - but last year manic - these seem to go in a 2 year cycle ..
spring onions ok, spinach -(yuck) went great , but i don't like it - sweetcorn seems to be doing ok as are the beans , butter nut squash - haven't work out and the leeks look good so far

I have done this in prepareation to show my duaghter that vegs comes from t he ground and not sainsburys /tesco (however she only 18 months old )
 
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