Is Englang on the verge of full socialism/communism

[Brianwarnock]

So if I ask you can we agree to keep it civil?

How the hell do we know until you ask the damn question. Just get on with it man and stop behaving like an old woman.

There! Now things can only get better.

Brian

 

[Pauldohert]

things can only get better.

Brian

That was the labour theme song in 1997 or whenever. I think you may want to rephrase that! ; -)

 

[KenHigg]

How the hell do we know until you ask the damn question. Just get on with it man and stop behaving like an old woman.

There! Now things can only get better.

Brian

Nevermind -

 

[Brianwarnock]

I'm starting to get worried about Ken.

Brian

 

[KenHigg]

Did you answer it yourself, realise it was daft ? Or is ignorance bliss Ken?

I simply didn't want to start another fuss.

What I was wondering was in the UK if I was a hard working, do it all by the books typical person and went in to a hospital and got the same treatment as a bum off the street that never hit a lick of work I think I'd feel screwed? And wouldn't this tend cause people to think 'What the heck am I working for, the NHS is going to take care of me, I'll be a bum too..."

 

[KenHigg]

Oh, and I know it's rare for an American to be curious about what goes on outside our white picket fence but where the heck is Englang?

 

[Alisa]

I simply didn't want to start another fuss.

What I was wondering was in the UK if I was a hard working, do it all by the books typical person and went in to a hospital and got the same treatment as a bum off the street that never hit a lick of work I think I'd feel screwed? And wouldn't this tend cause people to think 'What the heck am I working for, the NHS is going to take care of me, I'll be a bum too..."

I think your question illustrates a fundamental difference in beliefs. Americans as a group are just plain selfish and self centered. They are happy to sacrafice their own well being as long as nobody else gets something they don't "deserve". There are a lot of other countries where people still maintain something of a community spirit, and where they believe that helping other people is worthwhile.

It's the main reason America has no hope of ever solving the health care crisis.

 

[KenHigg]

I doesn't bother you that you've worked all your life to help pay for the system then a person who has never put a penny in the pot gets the same treatment as you?

 

[Pauldohert]

Can we start another thread for the helath care thing - I am awaiting Lens reply on someat somewhat differant?

 

[Alisa]

I doesn't bother you that you've worked all your life to help pay for the system then a person who has never put a penny in the pot gets the same treatment as you?

It doesn't bother you that people who have worked hard all their lives can't afford to purchase BASIC medical care for themselves or their children?

 

[Pauldohert]

"I doesn't bother you that you've worked all your life to help pay for the system then a person who has never put a penny in the pot gets the same treatment as you?"

No - if they have lived in this country all their lives and never put a penny in - I do not envy them at all ( ie they have never worked, I envy that not at all).

If they only earn't 10k they put a proportion affordable to them in.

We are born equal, we die equal -and helathcare should be equal. Simplistic in the extreme I agree.

As I say its clouded alittle by people who were never going to put anything in whether they could or could not - who can turn up and benefit also.

Boob jobs, IVF etc are also a problem. As is the postcode lottery of what treatment you get depending on where you live - and the fact that Scotland, Wales and N ireland all get free prescriptions (ithink shortly at least). The English do not!

 

[Rabbie]

I doesn't bother you that you've worked all your life to help pay for the system then a person who has never put a penny in the pot gets the same treatment as you?

No it doesn't. Should it? It didn't seem to bother Margaret Thatcher because she surely would have changed things if it did. In an ideal world everyone would have the chance to earn a decent wage and put money into the pot to pay for these things. Not everyone who is poor is idle or a sponger.

 

[KenHigg]

I think your question illustrates a fundamental difference in beliefs. Americans as a group are just plain selfish and self centered. They are happy to sacrafice their own well being as long as nobody else gets something they don't "deserve". There are a lot of other countries where people still maintain something of a community spirit, and where they believe that helping other people is worthwhile.

It's the main reason America has no hope of ever solving the health care crisis.

I think your assertions should be qualified. i.e. 'Americans as a group are just plain selfish and self centered.' should be something like: 'In my opinion Americans as a group are just plain selfish and self centered.'

And what's up with the 'they'? I thought you lived in the U.S.?

 

[Rabbie]

"I doesn't bother you that you've worked all your life to help pay for the system then a person who has never put a penny in the pot gets the same treatment as you?"

No - if they have lived in this country all their lives and never put a penny in - I do not envy them at all ( ie they have never worked, I envy that not at all).

If they only earn't 10k they put a proportion affordable to them in.

We are born equal, we die equal -and helathcare should be equal. Simplistic in the extreme I agree.

As I say its clouded alittle by people who were never going to put anything in whether they could or could not - who can turn up and benefit also.

Boob jobs, IVF etc are also a problem. As is the postcode lottery of what treatment you get depending on where you live - and the fact that Scotland, Wales and N ireland all get free prescriptions (ithink shortly at least). The English do not!

In England you get free prescription for children and for those over 60. There is some advantage to growing old after all

 

[Alisa]

I think your assertions should be qualified. i.e. 'Americans as a group are just plain selfish and self centered.' should be something like: 'In my opinion Americans as a group are just plain selfish and self centered.'

And what's up with the 'they'? I thought you lived in the U.S.?

I do, but I don't consider myself to be part of the majority of Americans that think as you do. That is why I said "they".

 

[Pauldohert]

Or pregnant

 

[KenHigg]

So what about a place to sleep and food to eat. Should the state fund that as well? Who drew the line in the sand with health care?

 

[KenHigg]

I do, but I don't consider myself to be part of the majority of Americans that think as you do. That is why I said "they".

Kind of like pointing a finger at someone else for the problem instead of fessing up that if you live here then it's your problem as well.

 

[Pauldohert]

At a basic level we provide that too - no point saving them from a heart attack to let them starve?

 

[Alisa]

=KenHigg;764240]So what about a place to sleep and food to eat. Should the state fund that as well? Who drew the line in the sand with health care?

The state DOES fund those things. A minimum amount of everything that a person needs to survive, i.e., not DIE should be provided for those who cannot afford it. That is why we have food stamps, section 8 housing and shelters, etc.